Israel And The Palestinians (now with added Iran/Lebanon)

[Ewanandmoreagain]

Jewish terrorists used to murder our service personnel

[Ewanandmoreagain]

1 hour ago, TxRover said:

The problems go back much further than 1945+, so there are certainly multiple sides here. However, when all your neighbouring States attempt to wipe you off the map, you tend to get a wee bit insular…not that that justifies the ongoing issues.

As for a “majority” voting for the current far right government, that’s an over simplification. It took a massive coalition of 7 of the 13 parties holding seats in the Knesset to (barely) form a government. The key part of the coalition are the religious parties, who cannot properly be considered anything but Israeli Orthodox Jews first rather than right wing. By the same token, you could easily suggest a majority of Palestinians voted for Hamas in 2006, making Palestinian violence and threat a constant in the lives of Israelis…just saying.

Neither side here is in the clear, and the international community has it all to answer for because of how they have effectively ignored this or that as it benefited them. If you want to call that bothsiderism, so be it…but neither side is on the side of the angels, despite what their texts say.

Going back to the forties part of the reason the neighbouring states invaded was as a result of the Deir Yassin massacre 

[sparky88]

7 hours ago, Boghead ranter said:

It may be just a Sky News thing, but anyone interviewed, regardless of side, come across as an absolute ball of rage.

There was an IDF spokesman yesterday and again this morning, who turned every answer into "THEY HAVE, AND WILL CONTINUE, TO ENCROACH AND BEHEAD OUR CHILDREN".  Then this morning there was a female Palestinian journo who just shouted over and over Mark Austin with the point she wanted to make, not even listening to his question. 

This is never going to get fixed.

I think it will at some point.

Israeli politics doesn't happen in a vacuum and many of the same circumstances that gave Israel far right politicians occur in other countries. Many/most of Western Europe has unsavoury right wing politicians like Meloni, Le Pen, Orban, Braverman, Farage, Salvini etc. The reasons why that happens is to do with demographics, economic circumstances etc and results in pretty unsavoury nationalism. Within an Israeli context this results in hardline, suicidal treatment of Palestinians. The idea of Israel electing someone like Yitzak Rabin as president at the moment seems daft.

In a few years those circumstances will be differerent and those right wing politicians will become unpopular again, due to  issues outwith their control.

 

[itzdrk]

2 hours ago, GHF-23 said:

Simon Sebag Christopher Rufo

 

What a bald bald chode. 

[BFTD]

As ever, thoughts and prayers with the mods at this trying time.

[Silvio Tattiescone]

https://9gag.com/gag/aOxOn6v

[TxRover]

4 hours ago, Ewanandmoreagain said:

Going back to the forties part of the reason the neighbouring states invaded was as a result of the Deir Yassin massacre 

And you go back to the 30’s and the Jewish population around there was being killed, and they fortified rather than retaliated…so there is been tit for tat there for centuries.

[TxRover]

2 hours ago, Newbornbairn said:

https://9gag.com/gag/aOxOn6v

So it gives endless intercept capacity, with limits based upon cyclic time, and invites the targeting of the electrical infrastructure. Give and take.

[Freedom Farter]

6 year old Palestinian-American boy stabbed to death by a 71 year old man in USA. The murderer was enraged after consuming media coverage of events in Israel. His name and his being from Illinois suggest Polish catholic heritage. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67119183

Edited October 16, 2023 by Freedom Farter

[Sergeant Wilson]

3 hours ago, Freedom Farter said:

6 year old Palestinian-American boy stabbed to death by a 71 year old man in USA. The murderer was enraged after consuming media coverage of events in Israel. His name and his being from Illinois suggest Polish catholic heritage. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67119183

Imagine having to stab someone in America.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Imagine having to stab someone in America.

Cost of living crisis really hits home.

[Leith Green]

Israel UK ambassador on R4 just now sounding completely unhinged.

When challenged on Israel targeting southern Gaza and civilians, she basically said "ask Hamas" and abdicated any Israeli responsibility.

This, of course gives Hamas the justification they need.

Iran must be delighted, they can now tick the box that says "put any peace process on the back burner for another generation ".

[welshbairn]

53 minutes ago, Leith Green said:

Israel UK ambassador on R4 just now sounding completely unhinged.

When challenged on Israel targeting southern Gaza and civilians, she basically said "ask Hamas" and abdicated any Israeli responsibility.

This, of course gives Hamas the justification they need.

Iran must be delighted, they can now tick the box that says "put any peace process on the back burner for another generation ".

Even Melanie Phillips finds her too right wing..

https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/to-put-israels-points-rst-learn-about-the-brits-1.500355

[Billy Jean King]

Rumours of a "deal" to open the border into Egypt coupled with the Israelis telling the population of Gaza to move south ie towards that border must bring into sharp focus the end of a Palestinian state. You can see why Hamas would be advising the population not to head south as the opening of that border to refugees (if that is the "deal" being talked about) would see the vast majority of the population of Gaza become refugees in Egypt with the prospect of never returning. Israel then rolls into Gaza to flatten it in preparation of it becoming integrated into Israel.

[beefybake]

14 hours ago, TxRover said:

And you go back to the 30’s and the Jewish population around there was being killed, and they fortified rather than retaliated…so there is been tit for tat there for centuries.

As already said, this is now...

and there is no equivalence between the oppressed and the oppressors.

[101]

2 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:

Rumours of a "deal" to open the border into Egypt coupled with the Israelis telling the population of Gaza to move south ie towards that border must bring into sharp focus the end of a Palestinian state. You can see why Hamas would be advising the population not to head south as the opening of that border to refugees (if that is the "deal" being talked about) would see the vast majority of the population of Gaza become refugees in Egypt with the prospect of never returning. Israel then rolls into Gaza to flatten it in preparation of it becoming integrated into Israel.

Hard to see Egypt going for that as I really doubt any country that has cheered on Israel will be interested in taking a share of the refugees.

[Mark Connolly]

I hear Rwanda have space...

[Melanius Mullarkey]

7 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

I hear Rwanda have space...

Bit of a walk.

[Cosmic Joe]

What would it take for the UN to put a peacekeeping force as a buffer to protect Gaza being invaded? They could also provide humanitarian aid. 

Apart from a miracle. 

[101]

5 minutes ago, Cosmic Joe said:

What would it take for the UN to put a peacekeeping force as a buffer to protect Gaza being invaded? They could also provide humanitarian aid. 

Apart from a miracle. 

Pretty much needs the 5 permanent members of the security council to want to end the conflict. 

Can't see Israel seeking it but perhaps the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank could try to influence the chair of the security council, Brazil and the UAE who are on the council until December to try and propose it to the other members.