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Just now, Thumper said:
Half the squad play in the Premier League. We are at the tail end of a 40+ year spell of an utter embarrassment of goalkeeping talent. And we've beaten Israel once in six attempts.
Olly Burke and Oli McBurnie play in the Premier League. Presumably this makes them top class.
The other half of the squad tends to be the problem
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46 minutes ago, edinabear said:
Last time I checked Tierney and Robertson were playing in the Prem.
If you think our level is drawing with Israel then you may as well give up.
I bet you're one of those tartan army footsoldiers who applauded the side when we lost 3-0 to Morocco
I see, you're an idiot. Carry on
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12 minutes ago, Thumper said:
No. Given the resources at our disposal it should be the default. Clarke wasn't put in this job to scrape draws against teams ranked 87th in the world (at the sixth attempt), and evidence to suggest we'll have the remotest fucking chance of finishing in the top two of our Euros group is nonexistent right now.
He was put in the job because we started our last campaign with a 3 nil battering off a tier 5 team then a labored 2 nil away to the worst side in Europe after we'd failed to qualify for the previous 10 tournaments.
Tell me again about these resources? A championship reserve keeper. A succession of mediocre Centre halfs. A limited but game right back.
We've got 2 great left backs, one of whom seems to be becoming the whipping boy of the morons in the support, some good central midfielders and a lack of outstanding strikers.
Apparently qualifying is below the standard expected of these world beaters though.
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42 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:
Are draws against Israel okay?
Did I say they were?
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6 minutes ago, edinabear said:
We have a team full of premiership players who are playing well for their individual sides. Of course we're massively underperforming.
Using world ranking as a way to justify your point just shows how bad scotland have performed over the years.
I'm not happy with defeat. Too many people have a defeatist attitude when it comes to Scotland. This side could be so much more.
We have half a team of Premiership players. The back line isn't, which is why we are set-up in a formation to deal with that.
World rankings aren't foolproof but they're a far better guide.than most folk think. Certainly better than the folk who look at Denmark and decide they're average because they don't.have any clue what they're talking about.
We didn't lose
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Just now, edinabear said:
The nations league tournament has meant that we have played more games against a lower standard of opposition than what any Scottish manager has gone through before. We are massively underperforming. This campaign is effectively over already.
Massively underperforming is nonsense tbh.
The only team ranked below us who've beaten us under Clarke is Israel, once.
Getting hounded off Kazakhstan is massively underperforming
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1 minute ago, Ya Bezzer! said:
This was a better result than the draw at home to Austria.
You've got to win home matches and stop your rivals picking up full points at their place.
We have very little chance of winning away from home against any half decent team, we are just not good enough, so home wins are absolutely what it's all about.
Correct. The best Scotland teams I've ever seen almost never won a big away game. 98, 90, 86, 82, 78 and 74 were almost exclusively qualifications off the back off solid home form and beating the minnows away.
And bar 98 we had at least one pretty poor home result in each campaign from memory
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Marshall isn't even the best keeper in the squad
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Just now, DanMc99 said:
also one thing that people seem to forget is when robertson and tierney have played down that left hand side for us we've actually looked defensively solid, tierney does look far more threatening but robertson hogging that wide area gives tierney a lot of freedom. modern day football fans have the habit of always having to pit two players against each other
Is absolutely correct.
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13 minutes ago, edinabear said:
Steve Clarke's record is
P18, W7, D5, L6. That is nowhere near good enough considering the quality of player now in the squad and also the standard of teams we've played.
This campaign is over after 2 games. Austria and Denmark will beat Israel home and away
The quality of teams includes the number 1 team in the world twice, 6 games against other teams that have qualified for the euros and Serbia away.
Not sure how good you think we should be, but barring the continued issues with Israel I wouldn't say he's had results worse than I'd expect
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4 hours ago, Fae_the_'briggs said:
Victory even sweeter now that Robbie's complaining about the linesman's "mistake" for the disallowed goal. Dontcha just love it.
In his defence, which I'm loathe to do, I don't think you'd find any manager anywhere who didn't complain about losing a point to that decision.
The fact we were in the position that we needed that goal is where the main problem lies obviously
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42 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:
Hadn't the intervening football match increased the urgency and weight of the question?
You'd think eh?
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4 minutes ago, Otis Blue said:
Thought Boyce put in a shift today to be fair ...... not many others though. Henderson looked a bit lively when he came on.
Boyce was our only performer till Henderson came on. Gnanduillet got better with service.
The back 4/5 and midfield though...
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18 minutes ago, TheScarf said:
Craig Gordon. There outfield squad is average but he pulls off wonder saves every game. Plus Neilson is a known joke of a manager.
Like United with Shankland last season, they had one player who was too good to be there and he dragged them through games.
I think you're overegging how valuable he's been a bit, but I doubt we'd have lost today if he'd played.
However him, Boyce or Walker have certainly made the difference for us in far too many games.
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3 minutes ago, Otis Blue said:
Magic ...... have to say, thought Walker had kept the ball in for the dissallowed goal there, but the linesman had the better view.
He did, but frankly who cares. Wouldn't have deserved a point
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On 23/03/2021 at 22:42, Insert Amusing Pseudonym said:
Just punt the ball into our half and wait for our defence or keeper to f**k it. Works for everyone else
On the money Imo
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Fraser has largely been poor this season, certainly wouldn't want him in over Christie or Armstrong.
I'd probably put McGregor in for one of those two, moving McGinn further forward
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1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said:
In our last 5 competitive matches, none of them against top sides, we've drawn 3 and lost 2.
If that's what comes from a perfect storm of favourable circumstances aligning, I don't want to think about what our record will be when the Gods are displeased.
First off, that's not correct, it's 1 win, 2 draws and 2 defeats. One of the 'draws' of course being the best result we've had in decades.
And the performance level even in the defeats is absolutely miles ahead of where we were when Clarke came in. Performances need to be backed up with more wins, but playing consistently strongly will always improve your chances in that respect
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1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said:
Sunday is a real test of our progression in tactics, ability and mindset. Appreciate we got to Euros which has brought a feel good factor but let's be honest we fell over the line through a back door.
If we really have progressed it's imperative that we deliver a professional performance against Israel just like the Danes did. If we limp to a draw or worse still a loss, then I'm not too sure Clarke has taken this team forward.Deservedly knocking out Serbia, a team who comfortably pumped Norway, isn't 'falling in the back door'.
He took over an absolute shambles and has clearly made us a) far harder to beat and b) mentally far more resilient.
We've not been great against Israel, though we 100% should have won the last game over there bar some awful finishing and decision making.
Sunday will tell us if we've stepped on again, or if there's still a level we're stuck at but saying we haven't moved forward if we draw or lose there is surely wrong
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I think a lot of people mistake unspectacular for being average.
Denmark are a very well drilled, exceedingly efficient team. They lose very few goals and hardly ever lose
The fact they aren't great to watch doesn't count for that much in terms of how difficult they will be to beat.
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If we want to 'blame' anyone for the second goal, Tierney giving the ball away under no pressure directly led to it. He had a very good game but was certainly more at fault than Hendry for that.
Also, no sure what people expect from Andy Robertson. Second half he was outstanding getting up the wing in support and put in a couple of great balls as well as winning the corner for the equaliser.
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I thought we played pretty well all in. We lost 2 avoidable goals but none of the defence played badly.
McGinn is much better further forward for us and Dykes wasn't great but Christie and Armstrong looked lively and McTominay is too good to play in defence.
Should really have won, but if we get a win in Israel it will have been a good start
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3 hours ago, Dunning1874 said:
Correct - McCormack was sacked on February 9th 1998, when Dundee were five points clear of Raith. They also sacked Jocky Scott while top on March 2010. Another example that comes to mind is Ross County sacking Dick Campbell while top of the then Second Division.
I'm not sure how pertinent any of these examples are to Hearts as in both Dundee cases it was in response to a downturn in form that put the title in doubt and trying to arrest the slide - worked with sacking McCormack and replacing him with Scott, didn't with Scott and replacing him with Gordon Chisholm (
) - while with County and Campbell it was only October and I think there was a realisation that early that he wasn't going to be a long term option, which wasn't entirely based on results.or performances.
In Hearts' case the league is obviously being won at a canter regardless but any concerns are entirely around results and performances, especially having just overseen the worst result in the club's history. If Neilson is going to be sacked then now is the time to do it when the league is already won and even Cathro would get Hearts over the line from this position.
I guess the question is, while there's no risk to being promoted this season, based on Neilson's previous spell in the top flight you should have every confidence of comfortably getting back into the top six. He does still need a bigger rebuild than the last time and obviously he's not doing much to inspire confidence in this spell so maybe he won't perform as well, but given this board's track record is the risk of appointing another dud who contrives to put you in another relegation battle worth the potential rewards of a manager who is less predictable and frustrating?
Generally I hate the 'but who would you appoint' argument against sacking managers as they should be judged on their own merits, but given that Neilson is the only Hearts manager to finish in the top four in the last 9 years does that mean he still has some merit?
I would say all good pertinent points. I'd actually have every confidence that we'd be comfortably top 6 with Neilson in charge next season, despite his limitations, because dull, risk averse football works perfectly up there.
The overriding problem though is he's lost the fans completely, and a competent 4th place finish for a fan base where a large portion think challenging for the league is just a question of having the confidence to attack at Celtic Park is never going to be enough. And there's zero chance of him wildly exceeding expectations.
And truth be told, getting hounded off a non-league team is a sacking offence on it's own
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50 minutes ago, Northfield 53 said:
Not going to matter who is available now for Hearts every player will be right at it going to be a very difficult afternoon for Queens will get the backlash can see another heavy defeat here again
You've never seen Hearts, have you?
Right at it. Chances
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) - while with County and Campbell it was only October and I think there was a realisation that early that he wasn't going to be a long term option, which wasn't entirely based on results.or performances.
Israel Vs Scotland 28th March
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We were more under strength for the Hampden game than they were.