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6 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:
Is there any actual evidence of this claim that it had even been sent yet? We could ask plenty questions that are just not being answered.
The only evidence is what Gardner said on Sportsound yesterday, in that he said Drysdale told him it was sent.
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7 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:
It was nowhere near 100 pages. Who's saying that?
Surely that's unlikely as it spent the afternoon getting nearly 40 other similar attachments without an issue. If there was a conscious hold somewhere surely it would be at Dundee's end? Sometimes email just get lost somewhere though. I'm sure we've all had it happen.
No not necessarily. Dundee's would come.from a different email address than the others, have they scanned the vite at a higher resolution meaning a larger file, have they used the wrong file type and one which may be considered more likely to be compromised etc. There are a variety of reasons why.
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5 minutes ago, weetoonlad said:
100% I smell shite
Depends on how they've sent it, how they've attached the vote. Doesn't need to have been bounced, the SPFL's mail marshall system may have held it, simple as that.
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2 minutes ago, Ad Lib said:
But then you would have a logged notification of when the "do you want to manually release" was received. And presumably the service provider would have a record of when it was in fact manually released.
Would be nothing to do with the service provider. It may be blocked by organisations mail marshall for example. The SPFL guys dealing with the vote would not be informed as they would have nothing to do with this. Certain members of SPFL ICT department may have, only the person dealing with the email systems, but they will have been at home due to public holiday, or on the way home finishing at 5.
As someone who works in IT this is VERY probable.
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4 minutes ago, The DA said:
The attachment (PDF?) might have been too big and their email provider might have delayed sending it until things were quieter over the evening.
But that sounds more like something that would have happened 10 years ago.
Not necessarily, our organisation has a 20mb limit on all emails. Although quite how the hell they'd manage to make that small slip 20mb I'll never know
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Just now, Ad Lib said:
It's possible.
It doesn't seem to me to be very likely.
In normal times I'd always assume accident over malice.
But these aren't normal times.
And the documented and reported existence of SPFL figures having directly contacted Nelms between the hours of 3-6pm make me smell shite.
There are reasons it could happen. As a United fan I'm not used to defending Dundee, but it is very possible and happens all the time to large organisations. We have emails held by our Mail Marshall all the time, especially those with attachments. These do not always require manual releasing, but sometimes they do.
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1 minute ago, weetoonlad said:4 minutes ago, The Master said:It’s possible for an email to be sent but not received.
So strange its the last one with No on it come on how strange . I smell shite
The last one was the one sent saying please do not take our vote as sent.
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Just now, Ad Lib said:
Then the Club should be providing evidence of when it was sent (in the interests of transparency).
And the SPFL should be publishing the evidence of when it received every email from Dundee FC, and of every email it sent to Dundee FC, that day.
And what would happen if or should a big gap between times? Reason I ask is that is completely possible. It would show that both are telling the truth.
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6 minutes ago, Ad Lib said:
Cards on the table I think the SPFL is lying about when it received the voting slip.
Would be cleared up in 30seconds by Dundee showing the sent email. Or SPFL showing that it was caught at their end etc.
Could easily be both side telling the truth without there being nefarious actions.
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14 minutes ago, Speroni*1 said:
Anyone work in IT or just have a sound knowledge of e-mail technology (?) able to explain a situation in which this would legitimately happen through no fault of the sender or receiver?
It's suspect as hell and just raises more questions.
It could be a few things. It could have simply gone to spam folder of the mailbox it was going to. It could have been blocked at the SPFL side and required manual intervention to release the email. Could have been sitting in outbox of who ever sent the email ie the person's mailbox was full and it only sent once deleted emails were removed from deleted items to clear space.
Those are just for starters, could be a.n. other reason. But doesn't necessarily mean it's incompetence on either side.
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1 minute ago, Speroni*1 said:
Forging Nelms' signature?
Or Nelms voting without Keyes say so
Going by Gardner's radio appearance and the images.of the slips, this sounds plausible.
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8 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:
So why did all but 1 submit by 5pm.
Irrespective, the purpose was so that funds could be distributed now ( which I understand could have been distributed anytime by SPFL without final placings).
So potentially 2 misleading directions by SPFL board and should all resign.The SPFL have already distributed the funds clubs minus the final placings. Every club was given on 20th March the money that the bottom club in their prospective leagues would receive. This current situation is so that the difference which is based on finishing position can be paid out.
To change this and distribute the rest of the money evenly would require the SPFL articles.of association to be changed via a vote by its members. We all know how good the SPFL & its members are at votes!!
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8 minutes ago, johnnydun said:
I think every club has been paid the bottom finish amount, as far as I have understood.
I minimum amount a club should budget for.
That's correct. The £300000 or so is the difference between bottom and 2nd.
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9 minutes ago, Juanhourjoe said:
Clubs will be fine for cash. As long as there's no long delay to next season. Rest of the payments will be in time to see everyone out. If not it's a major f**k up by spfl.
Don't think there should be relegation/promotion this season. But they could merge league 1 and championship for next season. And end up with 2 top leagues of sixteen for season after. Only other problem would be Highland and lowland league think something will be worked out to have promotion from there now.
Or combine the 4 into 2. Final position in league determines where you play in the status quo for season 21/22
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17 minutes ago, Nightmare said:
1. 4 OF games for TV purposes.
2. A loss of match day income - a 16-team league with no split would see top flight clubs lose 4 home games. That’s a fair chunk of cash they’d be voting to lose out on.
Hence the expand the league cup to guarantee similar level of games. I'm sure there would be others possibly workable that would save the need for 18 teams and 34 games. Only problem would be the potential for complaints of meaningless games.
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15 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:18 minutes ago, Tannadeechee said:Just a question on reconstruction, why does every idea have a split, or some convoluted mini league type nonsense?
Don't like the split never have done, would love to have it gone. Would love to have a set up where we only played each other twice, would bring the league much closer together at the top and allow the potential of, or at least allow he illusion of at least, a different winner. In this case possibly 16 teams and expand the League Cup to include more guaranteed games to help with shortfall in games, as an idea.
If the SPFL have signed with Sky a deal that requires 4 games of them again, after the hassle last time, it does beggar belief, but would seem par for the course with this lot. If this isn't the case would those showing leagues recon with a split change your minds?It's to maintain 4 OF games for TV.
It was claim d that was the case when RFC 2012 were trying to be shoehorned into the top league, but there were denials of this, is this genuinely the case or are we all just assuming the SPFL is stupid enough(I know, I know...) to sign a deal stating this?
If this is the case as you say, is this the only reason the split is being suggested?
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Just a question on reconstruction, why does every idea have a split, or some convoluted mini league type nonsense?
Don't like the split never have done, would love to have it gone. Would love to have a set up where we only played each other twice, would bring the league much closer together at the top and allow the potential of, or at least allow he illusion of at least, a different winner. In this case possibly 16 teams and expand the League Cup to include more guaranteed games to help with shortfall in games, as an idea.
If the SPFL have signed with Sky a deal that requires 4 games of them again, after the hassle last time, it does beggar belief, but would seem par for the course with this lot. If this isn't the case would those showing leagues recon with a split change your minds?
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7 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said:
That scoreboard must have cost a hell of a lot of money then because there has been no noticeable improvement in Tannadice other than that. A horrific venue for away fans, even moreso if you happen to be in a wheelchair or visit when there is a bit of frost on the ground.
As for this season, I don't understand why people are so determined to get the next season started so quickly. There are plenty of ways to reduce the number of fixtures for next season if we need to cut it back by a month or two - going back to a knock out format for the League Cup, scrapping the Challenge Cup, scrapping Scottish Cup replays, allowing games to be played (and televised) at the same time as Champions League games, using midweek slots at the start of the season, scrapping the winter break, having European knock out games over one leg, doing something to the Nations League to free up another weekend or two, etc. And if we can't do that easily, then we're going to have a strange hybrid season in 2021/22 with the Winter World Cup anyway so we could fit in 2 seasons into the space we'd normally have three no problem.The east stand had had almost nothing done to it years, flaking paint and rust. That was all fixed. There had been hospitality suite being gutted and redone (again had been left for years). A wheel chair lift was being put in for access to an other hospitality suite at George Fox. New POS, through out shop and stadium. That was just some of it, hopefully it continues as previous owners had.done next to nothing for years.
That was all off the point.
We only have 8 games to play. While the split may take a bit longer to sort out, for the rest of us, the league could be over in 4weeks playing sat/sun & tue/wed.
For Premiership, as the cup semis only have top league teams, take a weekend slot, play the semis, extend the top league by half a week. Take a weeks break and play the final.
The lower league play offs always happen with a quick tourn around so should finish week after cup final. Whole thing dome in 6 weeks.
As you say the next season bin the winter break, allow games at the same time as Euro games. Stopping league cup (although the bulk of that happens at traditional "preseason" anyway),.binning.replays for a season ( hopefully not permanent as I'm all for them). It can be done and I know many folk may not like it but a. Few more midweek games and I'm sure we'd haul it back to a few weeks out. All that depends.of.course.on when we get to start again.
It would never happen, but I'd be all for 1 season of 22 and 20. Final placings decide what league you go back to and them revert back to 12-10-10-10. Be interesting to see how close the league would be only playing each other twice.
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5 hours ago, sergie's no1 fan said:
Playing devils advocate here.
Should United be allowed promotion after posting such heavy losses? It could he argued they have financially cheated their way to the title. Interesting to see championship fans are not more pissed off about that.That loss isn't for this season. A lot of that loss has been, as has been explained numerous times, because of the continual payoffs, major overhauls to infrastructure, ie Tannadice itself. Those losses were to June last year. Since then the club has got rid of almost an entire 1st team and the current squad is smaller than last season. Would interested in seeing what the figures are for this season up to the halt, as that would be more accurate for your argument.
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4 hours ago, DA Baracus said:A loss isn't necessarily cheating though. Maybe in some cases, but not all.
If a club can't go up due to a loss then Dundee United, Inverness, Dundee, Dunfermline and Partick Thistle* can't be promoted this season (maybe others; would need to check).
Raith and Falkirk can't go up. Maybe others.
*Yes, I know
This where I am as well, although I have to admit whatever the argument I'll be seen as biased!
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Just been reading this.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sfa-chiefs-secret-gambling-ban-21412212
Fraser Aird came to mind. States they were playing jn the Championship, had played for Rangers in the past. Would certainly tie in with the stories about him being a bad influence and causing issues in changing room.
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2 minutes ago, Zoomer Brown said:
The HDWHW thing was to do with the assualt charge, when he slapped some weegie nomark who had attacked Swanson on a night oot
That would make sense. Couldn't remember, then again I can remember TV shows from my childhood like it was yesterday, but can't remember last nights tea!!!
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7 minutes ago, PartyFears2 said:
I have one very small thing to add to this.
‘He does what he wants’ was a song months and months before the incident.Was it? Genuine question as I do not recall it before that incident. I do recall the "Goodie,Goodie etc..." Chant but not that. It did however reach its peak popularity among fans after this incident and its singing from then on was absolutely cringe worthy and embarrassing.
Irrespective of when it started, the continuation after the event was crass and wrong.
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My take on the last two games in particular is the fact that psychologically we think the job is done. The difference between the application in the Hibs games and Morton and Arbroath is plain to see. Yesterday we played it at what looked like 60-70%, almost at training game pace.
I heard Dick Campbell on the radio, sure it was during the week, talking about how this time last year Arbroath were 17pts clear and won the league by 7. He was talking about keeping the intensity and that it is difficult to keep the players at 100%.
What really annoys me though is the complete refusal to change the style of play. I don't know if this is Robbie or the players but certainly yesterday he was telling them to speed up. This constant passing back immediately after receiving the ball irrespective of whether the player has space to turn and move forward and pass, passing side to side slowly and crossing to one striker amongst centrebacks happy to face these balls. How can players (or manager) not see that by moving forward quicker, it stops the opposition from setting up their 2 banks of 5 amd if going wide playing the cross, low or high, in the space between retreating defenders and goalkeeper?
We can be greateful that none of the teams below us are capeable of putting a consistent run together. If ICT, for example had one there last two we could be looking at 12 points ahead with ICT a game in hand an potentially single figures clear. I would not like to see how we would react to that. Its all if you auntie had balls, but it shows we keep going 100% until confirmed.
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9 hours ago, Mark Connolly said:
Powers was named in the SPFL team of the week.
Interesting (if you like that sort of thing) analysis of his play...
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It is. Because it is the SPFL its instantly thought of as that.
I think it was @Speroni*1 who asked what sort of things may have caused an email to "not be received", that got me involved in the whys and wherefores of ICT systems.
So yes it is convenient, but not outside the realms of credibility or reality. It also shows the issues of leaving things to the very last minute.