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Just now, The Real Saints said:
Pretty impressive, as far as I'm concerned. You can't just judge stats like these in isolation. He finished mid-table at Watford on two consecutive occasions with one of the lowest budgets in the league at the time (possibly the lowest), prompting Cardiff to pay a fee for his services in 2011. At Cardiff, he reached the League Cup final and won promotion to the Premier League, turning down interest from Norwich City. He took charge of Cardiff in the Premier League but eventually lost his job due to rows over the transfer budget amongst other things. Crystal Palace were interested in his services, but then his racism was exposed and his managerial career was pretty much brought to a premature halt (aside from a controversial spell at Wigan which went badly for him).
Not sure how anybody can claim that he hadn't done pretty well as a manager up until that point.
That is true, but his ONLY decent stat has him backed by Billionaire Tan.
I agree that stats do not show the state of the.club, budget etc, but to me it looks like he is a success with money, but this "forlock tugging, English league, English League please help us poor Scottish yokels" deifying of some folk because they worked in England gets on my tits. I' m not saying you are taking it that far, but of all the names allegedly interviewed/interested McClaren blows Malky out the water, bit he's a "clown". For me his record IS poor other than Cardiff.
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29 minutes ago, The Real Saints said:
I was being tongue-in cheek when I suggested that Steve Lomas would be an appropriate fit at Dundee United. I didn't actually believe they would stoop that low. In reality, it looks like they're about to stoop even lower. Sad, sad times to be an Arab.
Looking at Twitter, however, I do think that some people have short memories in regards to his managerial career. By and large, he has an impressive CV. If it wasn't for the racism scandal, this would be a major coup. But the fact that no club has taken him on in a managerial capacity in recent years is a sad indictment of United's integrity.
His record isn't very good though is i
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6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
They're trying to turn the weans against us! ©jkb
6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:My fellow Heart of Midlothian supporters. Let us not take our eye off the most important thing in this whole debacle.
HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN AND PARTICK THISTLE ARE NOT AND NEVER BEEN THE BAD GUYS IN THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
This is very simple. The SPFL board thought that because the current CEO of our club is a woman in her seventies, that we would meekly accept our fate.
They forgot two very important things.
Hell hath no fury like a woman wronged.
The woman concerned still has a very sharp mind, and in her lifetime has built good solid friendships with people who have power and influence.
They forget that she had served as a SPFL board member and saw how they worked, and she didnt like it at all. Their methods went against her ethics and morals.
So she did not seek re-election and left/ resigned from said board.
She is fully aware that we as a club along with Partick Thistle are up against a cabal of snakes and rats who believe they are beyond reproach.
Heart of Midlothian/Partick Thistle through legal advice are playing everything by the book. Reminds me a fair bit of my divorce from my first wife.
Where she tried to provoke me into doing things that she could use in court against me. She was mightly pissed off when I didnt do this and played every thing by the book as instructed.
She was more pissed off when the judge did not award everything she was after( she was after everything), we had to split things 50/50.
Heart of Midlothian/Partick Thistle have, I repeat have not done anything wrong.
Despite the pressure that has been put on them by the SPFL board, SFA, MSSM, and certain chairmen of other clubs.
If I may give a bit of advice when it comes to the media, that I was given many years ago.
DONT BELIEVE ALL YOU READ/HEAR, AND ONLY BELIEVE HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE.
As I have stated to often. I'm an ex Royal Navy man. The Royal Navy marchpast is a tune named HEARTS OF OAK.
That's what we all have to have now. Standfast and have Hearts Of Oak.
We will prevail as we do have the best people fighting on our side.
COME ON THE HEARTS.
Remember kids, don't do drugs!
Seriously he needs to take his own advice
"DONT BELIEVE ALL YOU READ/HEAR, AND ONLY BELIEVE HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE."
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5 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:
People keep talking member clubs but the legal set up is 42 ordinary shareholders of a company.
Ordinary shareholders would not have any right to make representations in court on behalf of themselves or the company without being named in the petition unless they made an application to do so.
I wasn't saying that the other clubs were making, or requiring,.or wanted to make any representations to the court. Merely depending on legal makeup of SPFL would they be allowed to see the SPFL's response due to being members etc? As seeing what their organisation was doing in respons
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2 minutes ago, Aim Here said:
I suspect not; it would be very odd to hear of individual shareholders or members of associations being served with court filings if the company/association gets sued, rather that just being the business of management and the legal team and folks who need to know.
Was this a typo? Of course Hearts and Thistle get to see the response, because their lawyers have to show up in court and argue against the points made in it.
Yes its a typo (or rather bloody annoying auto correct).
In exactly the same was as my dealings with criminal reports and evidence.
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19 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said:
You should have a look at the other United forum, Eastfootball. Loads of them are saying they think a few messages he sent years ago don't matter now.
Fucking chronic stuff.
But remember almost every close season
"Bring Goodie home"
I also hate the fact that McClaren (spelt it right!!) Is a clueless Muppet, yet Malky is a far higher pedigree than anyone else. Which is utter bollocks when you look at their records.
McClaren 18 years as a manager, 9 clubs & international including a couple of basket cases and in 3.countries has a win ratio of 44.2%
Malky has 3 clubs and 1 game as international manager and has a win ratio of 37%
I know statistics do not tell the full story with regard how much money they had to spend in relation to competition,condition club was in before they took over, but even ignoring his controversies (to put it mildly) I wouldn't want him for his record.
Laszlo has a 40.2% win ratio in Scotland
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Would also add, if that is the letter in question, exactly what are they frightened of by releasing it?
Why could it not be discussed like everything else on Sportsound?
Definitely a point making statement aimed at a specific audience, but done publicly.
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57 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Would Heart's & Thistle's issue be with this
"If SPFL Member Clubs wish to receive copies of the documents lodged, then it would be necessary for each of them to apply to the court to become a respondent in the action and to lodge its own individual (or potentially joint) answers, or at least to formally associate itself with the existing answers of the three promoted clubs. If any Member is considering doing so, then it should contact Rod McKenzie and he will be pleased to advise on the required procedure and the options available."
I could understand that DU,RR,CR response.could not be given out, but would the SPFLs not be available to member clubs. This being due to the fact that they are the.SPFL & that is HMFC & PT's complaint?
Due to HMFC & PT being the other side in the court action I would have thought they would get to see the response anyway.
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10 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:
If the SPFL hadn't fiddled the Dundee vote I'd agree with you.
I'd love to hear how this was fiddled? Please don't mention "suspicious it was never received, as that doesn't happen, check spam folder" etc type comment. But if you can show, truthfully, that something went on that was dodgy, that was in contravention of Companies Act 2006 sections 296-298.
Thanks
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Just now, ArabAuslander said:
FTFY
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29 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said:
Every United fan agreed to this broadly: Pav - good, Malky - bad.
Yup, with diagrams...
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43 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said:
Horrendous rumour that we've asked permission from SFA to speak to the racist one.
Fucking hope not.
If true Tony needs to head to his bed then in the morning give himself a wee talking to and come to his fucking senses.
Other than Cardiff, he's been rank rotten at his other clubs, never mind his texts!
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7 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:
Excuse my ignorance, but who is negotiating that if there's no manager? Unless McCulloch or someone else is being promoted to manager from within, how is this being facilitated?
Tony Asghar, the Sporting Director I would assume.
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56 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said:
I don't care who Dundee United appoint as their new manager, but I hope it's not Steve McClaren so I don't need to constantly read people spelling his name wrong.
Apologies. Can't be any worse than for 5 years no one could spell Rankin correctly, even though his name was written over the back of his jersey every game!
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11 minutes ago, ArabFC said:
There's folk out there who think Levein is 'past it' but believe John Robertson would be a 'good choice'.
Robertson got Inverness promoted around twenty years ago. Since when he's been sacked or let go from Hearts, Ross County, Livingston, Derry CIty, East Fife, and now he's in charge of a distinctly meh Inverness again.
Not one in the Robertson camp, but that's being a little unfair. His Hearts managerial career was during the revolving door policy during Romanov's time. He did get them 5th in league and 2 semis. Livi was poor, Derry doesn't look good on paper, bit took them out of relegation to mid table. Was only sacked after new chairman and BoD came in.
His over all record is not too bad although only really Hearts at a "high" level.
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Seeing rumours that Steve McLaren was one of those interviewed.
Although also read on another forum that we says they had spoken to someone in United that said it's Malky.
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3 minutes ago, Have some faith in Magic said:
Tom English is either pished or has a medical issue. Slurring his speech.
Sounds like he's forgotten to put his false teeth in.
If he's had some medical issue then I wish him well, as much as I disagree with him & find his output recently of a poor standard, I wish him no personal "harm".
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Just now, invergowrie arab said:
Brian McLaughlin saying "there is a fair bit of pressure on Lord Clarke" as of a senior court judge gives a f**k
Exactly, no more so than any other court case over his career. All this dramatisation of events does get quite draining.
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Seeing names mentioned by Scott Burns & that there will be 12 prospective managers interviewed
"Tranmere Rovers boss Micky Mellon, ex-Birmingham City manager Steve Cotterill and Stoke City assistant Billy McKinlay have come under consideration for the Dundee United job, writes Scott Burns.
The Tannadice club have interviewed around 12 candidates in the past few days."
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5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
I sent mine as a message to the editors of the website over this article and referring to Sportsound too, saying it looked like it was written by the Tynecastle press officer after one too many. No reply but the next day podcast had English being lightly grilled for the first time about allegations of bias at the start of the show. I claim full responsibility although Les Gray was mentioned too...
I know the podcast you're refering to. Tom couldn't fathom why Les Gray wouldn't come on. Did he not say something like if he had justification or a valid argument he would come on and debate it, there is no other side or they would come on?
No self awareness that there is maybe no point if you get talked down to, treated like an idiot (when not justified) purely for holding a different opinion.
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11 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:16 hours ago, Tannadeechee said:Yup, it's just a cut and paste job. They must have had a few complaints in and think if they send that out that will be the end of it.
It's not. I have a case number and I'm taking it further. There have been other occasions where I felt I should have said something over the years, but the bit is between the teeth now. Ultimately it may do nothing, but I cannot let his/their output continue to insult my intelligence.Same here
Jeez what's happened, agreeing with an Arab??
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12 minutes ago, Mr. X said:
I would imagine if the show was as unpopular as you believe they would drop Tom English very quickly. Instead they have very recently given him his own podcast.
Perhaps your views aren't as widespread as you believe, but Instead limited to a certain very small minority of fans, who are incredibly defensive regarding any negative views of their clubs actions. The type of supporters that love the sound of their own opinion but complain about that of others. You'll find them all over social media and highly concentrated in places Pie and Bovril, for example.
Keep complaining, no doubt you're providing entertainment to some bored clerk in the complaints department.
You might want to read that back out loud standing in front of a mirror.
No there are vast numbers of them. Most NORMAL people have no issue with differing views.
I have no issue with what my club, or how ANY club voted in the open and democratic vote taken due to
Shut down of all sport
Inability to continue season
Financial difficulties faced by many clubs due to no income
Complications, due to new broadcasting contract for new season.
What I have issue with is myopic, tunnel vision that states "everybody else other than my view is wrong", type attitudes. There is no black and white there is shades of grey. If people have read the proposals that have been voted on, really read them, not the headline but the small print. The small print that we do not appear to have seen but the clubs have (I assume Tom English has) and have them voted for what ever side they felt in their understanding to be the best option how can they be "wrong"? I would have thought an intelligent, experienced journalist would understand that. Might disagree with the outcome, but understand that. Both he and the show are struggling to comprehend that.
I can fully except other opinions, as said, but really cannot stand, condescending attitudes, such as yourself and Tom English's recent output, talking over people, telling them their opinion is wrong, arguing from a position using untruths (ICT's statements), ignoring facts because they don't fit rather than accepting them & realising the shades of grey. There is more but as you STILL cannot engage without name-calling and put forward arguments that I am mistaken (will hold my hands. up and accept that, as.you can not be right all the time ), or indeed show humility where it can be shown his arguments have NOT been balanced nor accepted the nuances that others' opinions may have, I can only assume you have neither the ability nor facts to back it up.
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1 hour ago, Mr. X said:
Complaining to the BBC because you don't agree with the opinion of Tom English, fucking pathetic behaviour.
Not to worry you'll get plenty of support on here from similar types to yourself.
How is it? Please explain using a coherent argument.
He is paid by a public broadcaster that we all have to pay for. He is not being open minded nor balanced.
He IS however being dismissive, condescending and obtuse. He will not accept arguments put forward from people involved with other clubs ( doesn't have to agree, but accept where they are coming from). He is twisting the truth, misquoting people, and ignoring truths if they do not fit. Everybody is wrong except him. Sorry but that is bollocks! The hypocrisy in some of his protestations as been "off the charts". Some of his behaviour and writings have been childish in the extreme.
He IS supposed to be a professional journalist & is BBC Scotland's chief sports writer, therefore he should be going for the 3 sides to the story. What side A says, what side B says and then the truth. He has shown none of that. This is coming from someone who prior to all this.would support him whether I agreed or not with his take ie respected him as a journalist.
If he was on a fan podcast - acceptable
If he was on a commercial station - acceptable (or at least they aren't built on journalistic integrity and need to "jazz" things up for listeners/advertising).
In a fanzine - acceptable
On a public service broadcaster, with clear guidelines, paid for out of my pocket - unaceptable
He is not alone in this, the Sportsound output over last 8 weeks has been poor and one sided.
Until the court papers were lodged I didn't have a vested interest in this, so I had no "bias" towards a side, no direct emotional attachment to any side. But the show is becoming unlistenable. They have had multiple complaints, from fans across the Scottish football spectrum, is everyone anti Hearts? Really?
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8 minutes ago, Ric said:
Yeah, I see Deans more as this character:
More this to me...
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The Dundee United Thread 22/23
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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Again it's opinions, we all have them and they aren't always right.
As I said above the "deifying" wasn't directly at you but in general some of the nonsense & talking up of managers.with poor records that are some how great because of "England". Your opinions just caught a nerve after reading so many about possible names in the frame.