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3 hours ago, ArabFC said:
That looks suspiciously like the gaffer going with what he might think is his best team, which would obviously be horrifying for all those who aren't fans of Pawlett, who looked to be playing in a midfield three with Harkes and Butcher.
See if it's the Pawlett from when he 1st arrived before his first injury with us, then I have no problems with that at all. Since that injury and then playing the end of 2018/19 season taking painkiller injections he has been really off the pace and looking frustrated on the pitch.
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55 minutes ago, kingjoey said:
Alan Preston almost screaming that the reason that Hearts and Partick Thistle went to the Courts and not straight to Arbitration, was that neither club had any trust at all in the SFA Arbitration system. It was then explained to him that the system would have been exactly the same as the SFA are not actually involved in the panel. Didn’t hear from him again for quite a wee while. What a balloon.
It is absolutely amazing just how many people believe this. It doesn't matter how often it's explained to these folk they are convinced it was an SFA panel that did the arbitration and it's only the court case that has this outcome now.
It's even more astounding when it's some "professional" broadcaster that, let's.face it, can't be arsed to do their job and read the rules.
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19 minutes ago, Aim Here said:
Hearts and Thistle will surely be arguing that the presence of a 'Reject' box in the voting slip would imply that the company was counting 'no' votes and that those should implicitly have some kind of legal force over and above that actually written down in law. They'd also have to work in the notion that it's illegal to revoke those counted 'no' votes. Whether they succeed with that is anyone's guess.
I assume, from the position of a lay person, my reading of the act yhat the "reject" option is the only real challenge to the vote. The SPFL should never have had that option, I can only assume it was to make.sure they knew everyone voted.
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9 minutes ago, itzdrk said:
I wonder if we will have to simply re-run the original vote
We could do, but as that document alludes to and the actual Companies Act 2006 states, it is only yes votes that count. A shareholder only signifies their agreement, which cannot be rescinded.
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30 minutes ago, 8GamesToGo said:
Most reasonable people think it's unfair. Your own manager thinks it's unfair. Members of the SPFL board that facilitated the decision think it's unfair.
We could possibly have finished the league. We'll never know because a decision was taken to end it far too early. Through a vote that may or may not be legal.
Given the press is now full of stuff about possible crowds in August when we were told October at the very earliest, it's clear that things change quickly. Holding off a decision to give us as much chance of finishing the league would have been sensible, while at the same time fully exploring other more sensible options like reconstruction.
Instead, here we are. And some still think the SPFL have handled this in a competent way after years of slagging off the SPFL.
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We could not play the league as the Scottish Government had said no. They only allowed us to contact train at the end of June and only last Thursday allowed us to play friendlies. You do know that they are the ones that say you can or cannot play, yes?
We've had this dance before many times.over the past few weeks and you offer no tangable way of having the games played other than "we could have engaged with Government" they did. "Other countries did it" irrelevant we are not governed by them etc. etc.
Couldn't give two shits if he thinks that or not. He was manager of Tranmere Rovers at the time who were relegated by PPG.
Again your final point is another dance we've all had with you again, and again and again. For some reason you have tunnel vision and selective reading. Because you think that we LL love the SPFL. The SPFL and by definition THE CLUBS THEMSELVES have made a decision, when ALL the facts have been considered that were known AT THE TIME , that may have been the least worst case scenario does NOT make us slavish pro SPFL zealots. This mantra of your reeks of the same pish as identity politics which gets right on my Chabs! It is a situation full of shades of grey, there is very little that is black and white.
I do not believe that any of us, but I wouldn't call those that do if there is any wrong, that think the SPFL got every single thing here correct. They have made errors, but looking at the Sky contract issues v payback for non completion, UEFA non leadership and deadline for Euro competitors, etc they have made the least worst case scenario.
81% voted for it (only reason it was close was because of the voting structure). Clubs rejected reconstruction because the details were crap. Your fellow Jambos on JKB think that if there is a payout and clubs have to share it, that bills of £300000 per club will finish clubs. That is less than the amount bottom 6 clubs would have lost under the last reconstruction plan. I'll make no further comment on that.
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10 minutes ago, C4mmy31 said:
Does that excuse really hold any water when they are responsible for appointing 1 member of the arbitration panel who in turn is responsible for agreeing who the chairperson is?
It will hold as much water as
"It's not fair"
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"We could have finished the league"
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15 minutes ago, Ric said:15 minutes ago, Ric said:
Not sure if it is to be honest. Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but didn't the CoS pretty much say "this isn't us, buddy, you need to go to arbitration because that's what you signed up for". I don't think there is any obligation that they should present exactly the same case to the arbitration panel, the only onus upon them is to have a case ready for arbitration. What's more if documents were passed over to them showed there was an obvious infringement (playing Devil's Advocate) then it would be only right they use that as part of their case.
Edit: I should say, I am absolutely no expert on this, more just musing over the issues without any information about what case they will put forward.
No problem, neither am I just an avid."researcher". I do take your point though on the case.
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1 hour ago, Ric said:
Again, we just don't have the case being put forward. It may be the exact same as before hand, but I'm guessing as there has been some delay it's not.
Surely if it is a different arguement, then that is them an extremely "unfair" act by the complainers. In other words they have gone to court with one argument, then get to arbitration with a different one? It wouldn't fly IMHO.
Delay will be due to 1 or more, or indeed all of
Arbiters needing clear schedules as they have been busy with other matters
Witness statements being taken
Length of time SPFL has required to get the information requested.
Complainer's legal team & experts going over the information received for issues etc.
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19 minutes ago, Ric said:
Oh, I agree, but I've said all along that if it goes to arbitration, rather than in a court case, that it's the best chance of getting money.
You see, I just feel arbitration will take the view that Hearts actually have a valid argument, when legally it could easily be ruled against. From that point on it's just taking the view of how much weight their argument has. We'll need to wait and see though.
I'd say it's a snowball's chance in hell of them reversing their relegation though.
The problem is though, of the SPFL have not broken any of their rules, the vote falls with the Companies Act (2006) then Hearts & Thistle have no case. Lord Clark was quite clear. Arbitration Act is quite clear, happy to be correct by legal minds with greater knowledge, but from what I could understand of the arbitration panel do not find any legal wrong doing them "moral" doesn't come into it. There would have to be an error in the calling of leagues, an error in the process of the votes ("reject" option may be such an error) for there to be anything going to the complainers.
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1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said:
If that's the case the rest of us will be shouting "It's no' fair".
Exactly. Ann Budge is already.on record as saying relegation would cost them £3 million so where does the £8 or £5 million come from?
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Do not like the new strip at all, that collar is horrific
With a regular collar it would be improved to a decent solid football top, but nothing more.
Such a shame after last season's excellent bespoke job, we get palmed off a disappointing template one. Black socks?? Someone mixed the home & away socks up?
If was any other club I doubt as many would be praising it. Saw the comment about Nike, but with a normal collar it's almost the same as Nike's 12/13 one, ie grab a plain tangerine top with black trim and sew a badge on.
IMHO of course.
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26 minutes ago, kingjoey said:
Obviously not. Everybody knows that it's Hearts and/or Hibs.
All hail the Diddy men!
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1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said:
St Mirren amended to 6 trophies.
http://www.stmirren.info/id19.html
Added in the Southern League Cup. And the NASLEC
Also added in Dumbarton, who won the Festival of Britain St Mungo Quaich in 1951/52.
Winners since 1945-46 Team & Trophy Total League titles Scottish Cup North American Soccer League Eastern Conf Festival of Britain Quaich League Cup/Southern League Cup Dryburgh Cup Summer Cup Anglo Scottish Cup European Trophy Hibs (10) 3 1 3 2 1 East Fife (3) 3 Dundee (4) 1 3 Motherwell (4) 2 1 1 Hearts (10) 2 4 4 Dumbarton(1) 1 Aberdeen (23) 4 7 1 7 2 2 Clyde (3*) 2 *1 St Mirren (4) 2 1 1 Dunfermline Athletic (2) 2 Dundee United (5) 1 2 2 Raith Rovers (1) 1 Partick Thistle (1) 1 Kilmarnock (3) 1 1 1 Falkirk (1) 1 St Johnstone (1) 1 Inverness Caledonian Thistle (1) 1 Ross County (1) 1 Livingston (1) 1 ETA: See amended list & totals below.
If we are going "diddy" cups then better add the Forfarshire Cup which will boost United and (boo) Dundee as well as the Angus teams scores a bit.
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20 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
This is probably shite.
Even if it is true,it doesn't mean SPFL haven't been "quick enough". It could be the time it is taking to get and complete witness statements and could be the time HMFc & PTFC's "experts" are taking to give their opinions on evidence provided by SPFL.
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16 minutes ago, AlbionMan said:
I remember a dozen of those names, played badminton against Sandy Davey and cricket against Donald Mackay. Was Lennart Wing not part of that team?
Wing left United in 67 and went back to Sweden at the end of that season.
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15 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
The general consensus from a quick scan of JKB seems to be that they're resigned not to be getting reinstatement, but will have to settle for the £8 million and the Championship, which they'll walk by 5 goal margins and be 20 points ahead by Christmas. Given that they were 16 points behind Livi when last season closed I would suggest that would be a bit unlikely. Will check back in November.
But they still don't quite understand the whole arbitration situation
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13 minutes ago, The DA said:
I was at school with Dennis's son (also named Dennis).
Whatever became of Walter Smith?
Walter Smith, I think he got involved with the "wrong crowd". Shame.
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1 hour ago, Sheep62 said:
Any names in that squad that some of us (ahem) older chaps might recognise ?
Sandy Davie
Tommy Millar
Jim Cameron
Tommy Neilson
Dennis Gillespie
Doug Smith
Walter Smith
Jim Moore
Finn Seeman
Billy Hainey
Jackie Grham
Mogens Berg
Gerry Hernon
Finn Dossing
Ian Scott
Donald MacKay
Jim Briggs
And manager Jerry Kerr
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28 minutes ago, Golden Gordon said:
Didn't know that, cheers! There are loads of different theories why you guys refer to yourselves as Arabs, do you know which is the definitive version?
The one that seems to hold most water is the one that relates to a Scottish Cup tie in 62/63. The pitch was frozen so a tar burner was used to melt the ice, cue one screwed pitch. It was then covered in sand and as we wore white, a newspaper report described us as like Arabs across the sand.
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18 minutes ago, Bohemian said:
Dirty Rovers b*****ds.... mon the Hibs...
I have to say the last few pages have been educational and a welcome break from Hearts relegation farewell.. Never heard about that American tournament... interesting stuff. Wiki rabbit hole sorted for a while
That tournament is the reason Dundee United wear tangerine. We wore mainly white with black strips. Wore tangerine strips (socks,tops and shorts) with blue numbers while playing as Dallas Tornados. Jerry Kerr's wife liked the colour and suggested it for the home strip and changed to it in '69. The rest as they say is history.
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10 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:10 hours ago, Sparticus said:Has to be a points deduction for this twosome.Both have acted horrendously all the way through and put other clubs at risk in a careless fashion.
I thought the only sanctions possible were a fine set at a maximum depending on division or expulsion / ban from the Scottish cup ?
That's correct. Points deductions are NOT on the cards as this is an SFA charge, and the leagues are.run by SPFL.
Copy from the SFA Judicial Panel protocol
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If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
With minimal lyrical change we have Ann "Stevie Nicks" Budge singing to Neil Doncaster..…
"Stop Dragging My Hearts Down"
Baby, you'll come knocking on my front door
Same old line you used to use before
That's the game, well what am I supposed to do?
I didn't know what I was getting intoSo you've had COVID trouble in town
Now you're sending some shite downStop draggin' my...
Stop draggin' my...
Stop draggin' my Hearts downIt's hard to think about what you've wanted
It's hard to think about votes we've lost
This doesn't have to be the big get even
This doesn't have to be anything at allI know you really want to tell me goodbye
I know it's really all about self-interestI'm going to court, your rules I will defy
The Hearts fans, salty tears they will cryStop draggin' my...3 -
11 minutes ago, JamesM82 said:
It's all a massive anti-Jambo and anti-Thistle conspiracy. Involving a bloke who worked for Thistle for ages.
That's OK, I've burst out laughing at Ewan Murray many times.
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1 hour ago, The-coo-shed said:
Not been on Pie and Bovril for fecking ages, so apologies if I'm spouting the same shite that's been around, but how would a reconstructed league of 14-10-10-10 have any losers? Everyone gets promoted, no-one relegated and you still get 4 Old firm games coveted by Sky.
On a different note, sportsound is good when it actually removes itself from the Old Firm. The Tommy Wright episode was great, the one on Monday with John Hartson was just awful
A stupid split after only 26 games pretty much ruling January transfer window out for trying for Europe. Too many meaningless games for those in 7/8 place, a lot of the bottom 8 £350000 worse off and potential of 3 teams being relegated when it reverted back to 12-10-10-10. Which was the basics of the main complaints
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League Reconstruction 20/21 season
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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DUSF have handed over £100000 to the club, ArabTrust raises money and pays towards youth development, we aren't heading for admin. RR fans have raised funds to keep club going.
This cash was just to help with what was felt to be costs that were unjustified and unbudgeted for. It wasn't just for one club either, the cash helps pay fees that all three have to pay, added to the Cove and Rover's fans efforts it's over £68000.
Well done to all involved.