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16 hours ago, Phillips455 said:
Motherwell have put up an update for the match live stream. It simply is a matter of clicking the link and choosing the Pay Per View option.
Hope this helps for those who want to watch the match.
https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2020/08/05/next-up-dundee-united/
Edit i do believe you have to sign up for a MotherwellTv account (and cannot be bought right now)
Yup, account set up and pass bought. Interesting it has a "away team video" and "home team video" option. Would this mean United's commentary team on away feed?
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1 hour ago, Sieb97 said:
Ditto. He has been spot on with everything United for the past year. Surely has a direct link to Asghar by the way.
Far,far longer than that. The last specific deal I can remember though was Chris Erskine. He had that out there days before anyone else. It's not just a "pal of Asghar thing".
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10 hours ago, virginton said:
Fixed that for you
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31 minutes ago, virginton said:
Except that nobody is actually calling for a return of a 'straight up, straight down' nonsense setup from the late Triassic period so your 'point' is in fact redundant. The number of meaningless games has now got absolutely nothing to do with how large your league is but rather how many spots qualify for something/are threatened with failure after the final game. Not that Scottish football's fixation with 'every game must be meaningful!!!!111!!!' is in any way a healthy attitude but that's a separate point for another day.
OK, so what you want is
Failure in the league still being able to beat a team that finished ,say for argument, 10 points clear in a one off game and get promotion. To me that's just meaningful for the sake of making things meaningful. That team weren't good.enough, otherwise what's the point of the league?
And an team that's done enough under normal circumstances being safe having to go down due to having to have a "double jeopardy" type arrangement etc.
Not in favour of play offs like that and not in favour of convoluted forced "meaningful". If ever some absolute crap like Belgium is ever seriously considered than I'm done!
Meaningful games do matter as it has been shown that games with nothing to play for mean less hospitality, less pay at the gate, it was one of the reasons along with less money from league for teams saying no to 14 during the Hearts laugh in. While its still a game & with no pressure allows experimentation and youth to play, it can have downsides too. I don't think every game needs to be meaningful, but we do have to be Mindful of the Scottish fans who do not turn out for non games.
The point is relevant as the original poster I replied to made sod all reference to league format and asked a simple "why does bigger league mean more meaningless games". Simply answered. If they had given an example of an over.complicated, convoluted league format because we're so 2020, then I could have answered differently.
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2 hours ago, Dons_1988 said:
I'm not sure this example is true in isolation?
Whilst it is a clear indicator of a trend towards clubs simply looking after themselves and maximising their own budgets, I'm not sure the figures involved make a huge material difference to the clubs? I could be wrong with that.
I do remember a shameless attempt from the OF 10-15 years ago to take a cut of their away fixtures because they provided most of the crowd, or something to that effect.
2008 they wanted a 5% cut of away ticket sales as they were upset that they didn't make any money from the admin and sales of those tickets.
I remember Eddie Thomson felt he had no choice but to agree due to the short notice Celtic gave the club after Celtic said they would refuse any tickets. Should have called their bluff in my opinion. Not like they are short of a bob or two.
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2 hours ago, virginton said:
Can we stop having these recurring lectures about why the Scottish top flight changed to a ten team setup nearly fifty fucking years ago, as if it is in any way relevant to the (soon to be) three multi-entrant European competitions and widespread acceptance of end of season play-offs that would inform any new structure?
You'd be as well telling us about how weans used to be sent up to clean the chimneys for all the relevance it has to the world in 2020.
If this is in reference to me,.it WAS entirely relevant as a poster had asked how could more teams mean more meaningless games. After all the poster was probably younger than me (I was born the year the 10 team league came in) and has.no clue of that. If you go back again will.ypu just repeat the same issues again.
I for one would like a 16 minimum league playing home and away, no poxy split, and the only playoffs would be 3rd bottom v 3rd top type deals. If 3 go up or down and you finish outside of top 3 then tough your shite and not good enough to go up there were plenty of games to prove other wise & you didn't make it!
Playing only twice stops the big two being able to stretch away in my view. It will never happen though, and we all know why, so to avoid saying again and upsetting you I'll not bother.
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1 hour ago, stu2910 said:
Any statistical experts fancy explaining to me why a bigger league creates more meaningless games? Surely the number of meaningless games depends entirely on the number of games played and therefore the total points available?
It would just mean that the meaningless games shifted to being say Dundee, Inverness, Hamilton and St Mirren in the middle of a 20 team league, instead of St Johnstone, Hibs, Arbroath and Dunfermline in the middle of their smaller leagues.
Fair enough Celtic are less likely to drop points against QOS than St Mirren, so the gap from top to bottom would likely be a bit bigger. By the same logic though, you’d expect Aberdeen to put up more of a challenge for the title with nearly half of their games now being against current championship sides. The OF generally demolish everyone anyway but you’d at least expect a closer challenge. Playing each other 4 times is one of the biggest reasons (that can change) that they dominate the league. You’re much more likely to see a smaller club cause an upset when they only need 2 good results instead of 4. You see it in the cup, how often does a smaller team play well and earn a replay only to be thrashed the next time?See Scottish football before 1975. There were many, many meaningless games. Much like the English Premiership with teams playing out their games just for pride.
It was for this reason the 75-76 season moved to a 10 team league. This was due to crowds falling due to the number of meaningless games. It was felt that 10 teams with 2 being relegated kept the excitement going as teams would always be within European contention or fighting relegation if not going for the title. It did that until the shared gates were stopped and the rest is history.
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1 hour ago, Darren44 said:
In Rugby Scotland, Wales, Ireland formed the CELTIC LEAGUE in order to compete with the English and French Rugby Leagues.
Well Ladies and Gentlemen its time for Football to do the same as its Rugby County Parts like it or not. Cross Border Leagues are the Future for Small Nations. In order to compete with the big Leagues.
CELTIC LEAGUE FOOTBALL.
SCOTLAND 6 Teams
Northern Ireland 6 Teams
Irish Republic 6 Teams
Wales 2 Teams
A 20 team league playing twice. The bottom team each season is relegated to there national League. Alternatively you could two division Celtic Leagues. With National leagues as Third Division.
Games would be played on a weekend to enable fans to travel. and free up mid week for European Games.
UEFA OBJECTS
UEFA in the past as objected. However UEFA now accept Cross Border leagues will become a reality for clubs to compete with the bigger leagues.
And a lot of traditional Scottish rugby teams are on their knees because of it, grass roots is not a very "happy place".
For me any move to this would be the death knell of Scottish football. Not a fan of cross border leagues, as to be fair it's nothing to do with football, but driven by a desire for TV money and armchair viewers for the TV companies. Due to Scotland having, to be fair, such a strong league in terms of the number of folk that go to see it, would that actually help or would playing teams that are part-time drop the Scottish "quality" and therefore fans and viewers once the novelty wore off and the reality hit. The Scottish leagues left behind would drop in comparison and in my view this would be detrimental to Scottish football and would confirm to the world we'd given up.
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23 minutes ago, Darren44 said:
That;s rare though. We need to make sure the league are more competitive than is now.
How does bringing more teams in and dropping the money teams get going to help?
In your idea the premiership, if top 6 is exactly the same as now. So how does that help?
The 14 team premiership was voted down by clubs as they feared in bottom 8 there would be too many meaningless games and £350000 minimum drop in budget?
We have teams in our top league that get paid almost less than a referee does!
The top 2 can bring in a decent player of similar standing if they get an injury. Many others can't and it's youth or obviously a reserve player. That isn't going to change. Commercially they can bring in so much more money.
We know that money doesn't equal talent, but the minute another team challenges out come the "chequebooks" . Even if the clubs do have ambition, the prospect of a more secure footing will win out.
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27 minutes ago, Darren44 said:
I like Scottish Football. But deep down you got to admit the National team and club sides performances are an embarrassment to Past Teams.
Past teams weren't all up against a team with 17 and, is it,10-15 times the budget of the best of the rest. They weren't competing with an English based TV company punting over a £ billion a year into 20 clubs.
We didn't have the European competitions being deliberately changed to try and keep the same (boring) teams every year to make then richer and to (wrongly) give the public what they want big names on TV every other week.
There are far more leagues now that eastern Europe has splintered. More teams less space.
We also seem to be frightened of playing our normal game in Europe and many times teams change tactics to play "European" , unfamiliar to the players, but very familiar to the opposition. Had my head in my hands a few times at teams doing that.
The money coming in is small, it doesn't help. I've, over a number of years, lost all interest in European competitions, they have been ruined and "rigged".
The national team have been punching below the talent for a few years for me. Too much obsession with Scottish grandparents of diddies playing in England. We're not going to win any tournament, but again like European competitions there are more teams chasing places so it is more difficult to qualify. I just wish we'd get rid of the split personality of, we are shit and a joke & taking to the field in a defeatist manner and the other side of we should be beating <insert country name> by 3 or 4.
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1 minute ago, Darren44 said:
Scottish football fans are funny lot. They moan and moan. But turn the nose up at any reform. Yet Scottish is dead. The national team fails to qualify for anything and is a laughing stock.
Scottish Clubs sides cant get even get to the group stages the Champions league or Europa League. Maybe the Uefa Conference League?.
So can you tell me how having the same teams with less budget will make a difference to that?
And on your initial plans, am I out of touch? I have always hated the English playoff system and don't like ours. To me if you weren't good enough over 36 games to go up then you aren't good enough. If you finish 4,5 or 6 then feck off,.should have been better over the games in the season.
One more thing, can the next twat that comes on here get an instant ban for using the pish "laughing stock" to describe Scottish football. I'm fucking sick of it. Don't like it, then bugger off and don't watch it. I take it that those that call it that have absolutely no knowledge of world football. Far worse laughing stocks out there. We do have problems yes but a laughing stock it isn't. Would be improved if we played the best players on form in National team though. If you only talk about a blinkered view of how shit everything is then don't be surprised if eventually everyone thinks that way too.
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15 minutes ago, Green Day said:
Publish the details or we will cry corruption !
What?
You want to publish? b*****ds !!
If that article is true then good grief, Hearts and Thistle really are at it.
I particularly like the part that said if they hadn't forced it to arbitration, then it would all have been in the public domain in court. Sorry, we really are STILL going down the route of having a go at SPFL for going by the rules all clubs signed up to??
This smacks purely of trying to keep the narrative going of them being put upon.
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39 minutes ago, CaspianChris said:
United are apparently interested in Blackpool defender Ryan Edward and that a deal could be done according to this guy on twitter.
Sure he's a journalist based in that area.
Just looking at the guys stats, played last 3 season in League 1 at Plymouth and Blackpool and should be decent in the air at 6'5"!
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MOH has been a bit unlucky there to be fair. Although the first one these days could have been red.
Thought Robson's been looking decent, Harkes early on was looking good too. Too many aimless lumps and when we do have the ball we seem guilty of trying to be too fancy when we maybe needed to just keep calm and simple, although very pleased to be one up.
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56 minutes ago, Valentino Bolognese said:
If it helps anyone I did a wee test using Chromecast (built in to a 2019 Sony Viera) from Android 10 and from windows 10, both Chrome browser. On both the United and Saints Stream Digital sites the hosted videos run fine. As far as I am aware they use the same player for live streams. Everything was flawless in 1500 HD.
ETA - the DUTV videos aren't 1500 HD, for some reason you can't select the resolution on DUTV.
You can, but the highest was 720p
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37 minutes ago, Pull My Strings said:
Working fine on the firestick for me. Resolution's not great but that may just be the footage of the killie game itself.
Think I read somewhere the cameras used for the Killie game weren't the ones to be used for the actual league games. It could be wrong but that was what I read.
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22 minutes ago, Twinkle said:
Has anybody recieved their log in email from United today regarding their virtual season ticket? Supposedly sent to everyone at about 15:40 but no sign. Even had a look in the Neil Doncaster folder
Had to email them, 15 minutes later the details arrived
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8 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:
I would be careful with forecasts, particularly after viewing some on this thread. The Blue Brazil diddies have had the Pars diddies on their mantelpiece for a while. If we had not been unfairly denied a Play Off I am sure that we would soon be in a position to exercise our natural superiority.
But as your chairman told the nation & Tom English, it was for the good of the game, you hold no grudges and you would not entertain going to court.
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1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53298175
This cringeworthy article is presumably aimed at English football fans for something to watch during the PL shutdown.
The problem is it doesn't appear anywhere on the main bbc sport football page and I can only see it in the Scottish football section, so it will only be read by miserable scots like me shaking my head at the tragic nature of it.
Just read that. Absolutely dreadful, condescending shite.
If they want to do an article on why watch Scottish football, why not do one that educates the I'll informed and breaks the stereotype of "shit hootball", because be fair it isn't. Boils my piss!
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Cheap Panini have finally listened to me and are drawing Dundee United. They are looking for suggestions for their "fine" artistic talents to mangle..err draw.
Link here
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30 minutes ago, aDONisSheep said:
Hemin, fit ye sayin'? I used to hate having to try and head goalies kicks.
Corners... fine
Crosses... fine
Blocking shots... fine
But hoooooofs in the wind with some hoor clatterin' into the back of you, were by far the worst balls I had to deal with!
Yours, I coulda' bin professional if not for my lack of fitness, talent and application!
aDONis
Hated heading the ball, almost managed.to end up 3 inches shorter when jumping for a header than I was if I just stood still. Scored once with a header, goal line stramash and the ball ended up at head hight, couldn't miss!!
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33 minutes ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said:
Rangers no7. We all have that mate who comes along to play football down the astro who is scared to head the ball but makes a token gesture jump when the ball comes in.
He missed it by a mile there.
Was that not Charlie Miller? Not known for heading the ball. If memory serves me right, that goal was used at the start of Sportscene or Scotsport back in the day. Was a belter of a goal.
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3 hours ago, Mr Positive, sometimes. said:
Just thinking.
I know the SPFL leadership are not exactly inspiring and could have been handled better. Particularly publicly but kind of feel like some of the flack directed at them is just to use them as an easy target scapegoat due to their failings in gaining a sponsor etc.
A motion was put forward to potentially end season. The majority evidently wanted that hence the vote result. Including Hearts!
There was an offer as well to review potential reconstruction. The club's were allowed to shape this. Based on Sportsound there was opportunities to pursue other options that didn't change Premiership but was ignored by clubs. Clubs were then given an option put fwd by the club's on the reconstruction panel. The majority got what they wanted.
They're found to have not done anything illegal. I know improvements need to be made about how it's run but for them to be vilified during this is actually a bit off the mark. They've given the club's the platform as a majority to make decisions. Isn't that the essence of a members organisation?
Even things like voting structure. That again was something the members voted for and agreed many years ago!
Exactly, it IS a members organisation. The SPFL IS the clubs. If clubs want change then they can present it to the board whereby it is then put to the rest of the clubs for a vote. Nothing is really done without clubs agreement.
Now the voting structures are a different arguement, but there has been chances to change it and it's been knocked back.
One thing that gets on my proverbial is the media constantly bad mouthing SPFL, football standards, we're a joke etc etc. No wonder we are struggling at times for sponsorship. I sincerely doubt we really that much different to most other leagues. The football standard isn't as bad as is made out, but we truly are at times a media bandwagon led bunch of moaning, negative bar stewards when it comes to our football.
I agree with the SPFL critics that we could market better. I mean simple things, why not have some billboards in towns featuring local teams hyping up the season starting. Have some non OF* based advertising and hype. The SPFL Twitter is a start, get the YouTube channel more consistent that's just for starters. Stop caring if England, Wales, NI, Germany, France etc watch our game, who cares? I don't really care about their game, let's get locals watching and caring about clubs that represent their town and area. To do that we need a change in SPFL marketing which needs the clubs themselves to make and propose changes as they are the SPFL.
Sorry for going a bit off topic there, but it all does come back to the clubs to want betterment.
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46 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:
Fucking hell, who is Moira Gordon? Is it Ann Budge in disguise?
Anyway, an article that hits all the 'high' spots. There's pish about how the season should have been played out (including the requisite 'but look at England!' bullshit), tears about Doncaster saying he feels vindicated, breathtaking arrogance, hypocrisy and outright stupidity by claiming a 'selective interpretation of events', barely concealed insinuations that the courts are corrupt, comparing the decision to tax evasion and general mewling that is totally detached from reality.
That is atrocious and would not appear out of place on Kickback.
Vindicated? Vindication would have come from a show of confidence in the SPFL board’s ability to handle another mess such as the one dredged up by the coronavirus pandemic. Instead, when a written resolution was circulated to clubs, suggesting power be transferred in the event of more Covid-related disruption, members denied them that authority
Let's see what the dictionary says...
vindicateThe investigation vindicated her complaint about the newspaper.Not been Doncaster's biggest fan over the years, but I'd say vindicated was correct in this instance. It's not like he said and/or implied "war", "never forget" etc.Then we have the classic...Look at what we missed out on by not exploring all those options. In England there was drama right up to the last minute as teams battled for survival, for European places and their shot at moving up the ladder. And, in most cases, the final picture was very different from the one being painted with eight games to go. That is not to say that Hearts, Partick Thistle or Stranraer would have saved themselves but they should have been granted the opportunity to try. The fact they were not is the reason this season will always be an embarrassment for Scottish footballWhich has been discussed on here to the death. But no we couldn't. One TV deal ending and a new deal starting screwed that up and would have meant paying back far larger sums. Scot Gov said no, Each EPL and Championship club would have had to pay back eye watering amounts, Westminster gave them permission, UEFA deadline. Done any research Moira?“fellow member clubs and our governing bodies have stood back and allowed totally disproportionate financial damage to be imposed on three of its members”. She described it as shameful and she was spot on. She was also right to tackle their hypocrisy, fear and weakness.
“For too long, chairmen and owners have stood on the sidelines bemoaning the decision-making processes, the perceived lack of leadership, the lack of commercialism; the general shortcomings, as they see it, of Scottish football. However, if they really want things to change, it will take more than words. They will have to stand-up and be counted.
Did you, or any journalist, ask her whether she made any attempts to do any of this while a member of the SPFL board? The place where she was for 2 years actually involved in the decision making before leaving in 2018, or did she not stand up and be counted?
If Hearts had beaten St Mirren, which much like 26 other games they didn't get 3 points, nothing would have been done or pushed by her.
It really pissed me off that professional journalist writing in, let's face it public opinion forming organisations, can not research, deal in facts or give balance. I'm not talking about differing points of view after reading and considering facts which I will support, but this utter bollocks for clickbait and "edgy agitation". It really is bottom of the barrel scraping at its most blatant.
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The Terrible Journalism & Tom English Thread
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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I think it's been shown, not sure if 100% though that Murray's Rangers spend was pretty much financed by the banks and he never actually had to spend a penny himself. Plus all the Ibrox metalwork came from his company too. Nice way of doing it if you can get away with it.