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17 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
That is word for word the same reply that they gave me today.
"Thank you for contacting us. We’ve received a range of feedback about our coverage of Hearts, the SPFL and recent events in Scottish football, in particular with regards to contributions by Tom English, and have shared your comments with the relevant BBC Sport Scotland teams and senior management.
Please be assured that bias plays no part in our reporting. We place the highest value on accuracy and impartiality within our own journalism, and rigorous editorial standards are applied across all of our output. All our journalists, presenters and editors are well aware of our key commitments to due impartiality and accuracy. We report the news emanating from Scottish football with due impartiality, irrespective of the clubs or parties involved, and any suggestion to the contrary is without foundation.
Our guidelines explain that ‘due’ impartiality involves more than a simple ‘balance’ between opposing viewpoints. An article or discussion, for example, may therefore allow someone’s opinion or views to be expressed but still be ‘duly’ impartial. And coverage should be considered across a broader range of output than one particular incident or item.
We’ve published numerous articles and broadcast hours of debates and interviews on the SPFL vote chaos, the SPFL-commissioned investigation, the calls for an independent inquiry, league reconstruction proposals and the ending of the season, which resulted in the relegations of Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer from their respective divisions. A wide range of views have been heard across our output, and we’ve heard from all sides of the debate.
As BBC Scotland’s chief sports writer, it’s part of Tom English’s role to provide his insight and understanding of the stories emanating from Scottish football. His observations along with any assessments of the context, reasons and politics behind them and the reaction to them are, again, entirely consistent with his role. And others, of course, are free to disagree with his analysis.
That said, we are satisfied that Tom English’s contributions to our recent output on these issues has represented fair analysis and comment.
Thank you again for getting in touch.
BBC Complaints Team"
Yup, it's just a cut and paste job. They must have had a few complaints in and think if they send that out that will be the end of it.
It's not. I have a case number and I'm taking it further. There have been other occasions where I felt I should have said something over the years, but the bit is between the teeth now. Ultimately it may do nothing, but I cannot let his/their output continue to insult my intelligence.
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3 hours ago, ribzanelli said:
Fine as part of a stable diet
Not as a starter, but perfectly acceptable as the mane course.
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Just incase anyone wishes to know what the BBC think of Tom English & his performance during recent weeks this is the response from them to my complaint...
Thank you for contacting us. We’ve received a range of feedback about our coverage of Hearts, the SPFL and recent events in Scottish football, in particular with regards to contributions by Tom English, and have shared your comments with the relevant BBC Sport Scotland teams and senior management.
Please be assured that bias plays no part in our reporting. We place the highest value on accuracy and impartiality within our own journalism, and rigorous editorial standards are applied across all of our output. All our journalists, presenters and editors are well aware of our key commitments to due impartiality and accuracy. We report the news emanating from Scottish football with due impartiality, irrespective of the clubs or parties involved, and any suggestion to the contrary is without foundation.
Our guidelines explain that ‘due’ impartiality involves more than a simple ‘balance’ between opposing viewpoints. An article or discussion, for example, may therefore allow someone’s opinion or views to be expressed but still be ‘duly’ impartial. And coverage should be considered across a broader range of output than one particular incident or item.
We’ve published numerous articles and broadcast hours of debates and interviews on the SPFL vote chaos, the SPFL-commissioned investigation, the calls for an independent inquiry, league reconstruction proposals and the ending of the season, which resulted in the relegations of Hearts, Partick Thistle and Stranraer from their respective divisions. A wide range of views have been heard across our output, and we’ve heard from all sides of the debate.
As BBC Scotland’s chief sports writer, it’s part of Tom English’s role to provide his insight and understanding of the stories emanating from Scottish football. His observations along with any assessments of the context, reasons and politics behind them and the reaction to them are, again, entirely consistent with his role. And others, of course, are free to disagree with his analysis.
That said, we are satisfied that Tom English’s contributions to our recent output on these issues has represented fair analysis and comment.
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31 minutes ago, eddiemunster said:
Paul Slane is an ugly wee rat who got exactly what he deserved out of his football career. Looks like he dooks for chips and then dries his face with a cheese grater and is about as funny as getting kicked in the arse with an open toed sandal.
So I'll put you down as undecided then?
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28 minutes ago, Junior Pub League said:
Did they have a getaway vehicle or were they Walkers?
Oh dear, I laughed more than I should have there.
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2 hours ago, AndyDD said:
Aye, there will be exceptions of course but in a general sense there does appear to be (or at least was?) a lack of proper diligence from a lot of our players.
That a manager wanting multiple training sessions, wanting to target peak athleticism and wanting to prevent the indulgence of players, was faced with any opposition to those ideas at all, never mind strong opposition, speaks for itself. I'm not sure that this is necessarily as bad now as it was then, but Mcginn and others are still speaking in interviews about how much more seriously that aspect of the game is taken in England than up here and I struggle to find any justification for it.
Not even like every club is managed by veteran coaches and dinosaurs up here, either. A lot of young managers, many of whom have experience in other football environments as players and coaches.
Thing is it wasn't always. Remember Paul Sturrock getting the boot at Southampton because of player power. He wanted to do some of the things he had done at other clubs he had been at, like increased training time. The players complained about him and he was gone.
Situation also brought about my favourite Strachan moment. Football Focus presenter Manish asks " was it because he wasn't a great player?" Strachan went poplectic " not a great player? World cups, European semis & final, he' s achieved more than most of that squad will"
I digress. We do take it seriously up here BUT, there are players who don't. I think it's a society thing where folk go I can do what I like ( evidenced every day during this current situation). I remember Boyd on BBC Sportsound having a go at the Turkish training. I also think it's the same with the media here and foreign coaches where they are instantly slagged off as figures of fun and the things they say, when everyone knows what they mean. I mean if these guys could speak their language as well as these foreign coaches speak English!
I think you have to be careful though. You see comments on here all the time about how players need to "bulk up". First and foremost you need to be able to control and move the ball as close to second nature as possible and be fit and look after yourself. In England there are some players who look too bulky.
There is a balance, you don't want it like rugby, where it's so much about fitness and physique, the finesse has gone, but it's surely common sense to ignore the junk while your playing. Your a long time retired, best not make it longer than it has to be.
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37 minutes ago, Aim Here said:
One fun fact that today's news has unearthed - the SPFL's law firm is Shepherd and Wedderburn, who employ, as a senior associate, none other than Scottish fitba's very own Kevin Clancy.
Here's hoping his knowledge of the laws of the land is at least as keen and sharp as his command of the Laws of the Game...
We're screwed!!!!
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9 hours ago, welshbairn said:
It's quite weird that the only thing he criticised her for was making a diplomatic and friendly statement about Stendel leaving.
Seems she should have said "Useless c**t, well shot." and he'd have been happy.
Since the vote, this exactly what I'd be saying if ever Tom leaves Sportsound!
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3 minutes ago, Coventry Saint said:
Does anyone have any thoughts about whether or not Colts teams would work as part of the league set-up?
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Listened to today's podcast. Tom English"The hypocrisy in this is off the scale". First thing he's really said that's accurate in this situation, although he didn't use it the way most of us on here would have.
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3 minutes ago, Junior_Arab said:
Not only that, he said the losses probably meant that United would mothball their academy, despite the fact that a significant amount of the money he was talking about was actually spent to get the academy up to Elite status. I can’t believe the BBC allowed somebody so uninformed to sit there spouting half baked pish and innuendo which basically is how rumours start.
Really?? Have you been listening to Tom English for the last 3 months?
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2 hours ago, GallowayBlue said:
Can anyone explain what the underlying reasons are?
I realise this is an inexact bit of maths here, but taking Pressley’s numbers that means the club must have spent £6 million during the last financial year?
We brought in almost a brand new team in January 2019. We spent a load of money on infrastructure changes & stadium maintenance that had been neglected over the years, hospitality area gutted etc.
Fans who were at a Q&A towards the end of 2018-2019 season were told by Ogren that the accounts would look bad as a lot, more than expected, had been spent as one offs to bring things up to scratch throughout the club, but these "upgrades" should be one offs and lead to smaller continual maintenance charges or help lead to more revenue. Also spent to achieve elite.status for the academy
Not included in the accounts are the fact that over 11 first team squad players left the club after the accounts were published and only a handful were brought in.
We were also continuing to fund academy & training centre as we did on Premiership income.
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17 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:
Levein saying Neilson got in touch with him back in November declaring his interest to takeover then.
Pressley worrying about United's future and as such ruling himself out.
Levein, if you take him at his word, stating that Neilson had said it was a mistake leaving Hearts & he would like to go back. Whennquestioned, on it by Kenny McIntyre, Levein said that he was.talking.about sometime in the future at some point, not that he wanted to leave now.
More paranoid minds might think that as Levein was."sacked" 31st October, it was an approach without going through the clubs & Hearts intention all along to get Neilson of relegated, or Stendal left anyway in summer
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9 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:
Then you'll find it prosaically simple to highlight a sentence in the two links that you gave which says anything like, "Under company law, if you vote no you have 28 days to reverse that vote".
Edit: If that is too hard, an as you have extensively researched the Companies Act what provision does it make for rescinding a No (or disagree or whatever) vote?
There is no need to. The simple fact that it only mentions "yes" votes, means that those entitled to vote do not need to enter a vote of it does not signify agreement, therefore any "no" vote isn't considered. Whether you agree with the laws or not, unless it specifically states it cannot be done, then until it is changed or challenged then "carry on".
There was no need to have a "no" vote, only a yes vote. SPFL have obviously included "no" to ensure everyone returned a vote.
(1)A member signifies his agreement to a proposed written resolution when the company receives from him (or from someone acting on his behalf) an authenticated document—
(a)identifying the resolution to which it relates, and
(b)indicating his agreement to the resolution.
(2)The document must be sent to the company in hard copy form or in electronic form.
(3)A member's agreement to a written resolution, once signified, may not be revoked.
(4)A written resolution is passed when the required majority of eligible members have signified their agreement to it.
Period for agreeing to written resolution
(1)A proposed written resolution lapses if it is not passed before the end of—
(a)the period specified for this purpose in the company's articles, or
(b)if none is specified, the period of 28 days beginning with the circulation date.
(2)The agreement of a member to a written resolution is ineffective if signified after the expiry of that period.
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26 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
The not so wise one has it sussed, it's a wrap. ©jkb
Could he give me the lottery numbers since he's got the Mystic Meg gift
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33 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:
Stuart McCall is a good shout.
Bloody hell, that list is enough to make send your season ticket back!
Often wondered how they make these lists up, do they go "right lads who used to play for them and is doing badges, coaches or is a manager?, Ok right throw in a couple of ex managers for them & any one else who's Scottish and has ever managed, right pub?"
There is maybe one or two in there, but my god what lot of dross.
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18 minutes ago, Wilbur said:
Contributory Negligence due to being shite all season and consequently getting themselves marooned at the foot of the league table when the music stopped.
Or should The Snakes of Paisley be blamed for that too. ?
To be fair they couldn't be anything else could they??
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47 minutes ago, JamesM82 said:
Northern Irish league, after three months of staunch "we're going to finish the 2019/20 season off" chat, has been forced (by UEFA) to curtail it after all. And they're going to promote and relegate teams based on the games that were played.
But, but, but..... Don't they know Tom English and the rest of BBC Sport Scotland and Jambos everywhere say that's not fair....
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13 minutes ago, Ric said:
Just going to show Scottish football is genuinely box office.
Bloody autocorrect!!!
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54 minutes ago, MegaRichJambos said:
Mention how the league could have continued without mentioning the many leagues that continued.
Just stick to the tabloids bud.
Don't read tabloids if I can avoid it thanks.
Are you able to answer?
Are you just here to try and tell us "little people" we are all wrong and the only correct opinion is yours?
Are these leagues continuing?
Are these areas under "control" of Hollyrood which so far has NOT given permission for football to restart playing matches.
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3 minutes ago, MegaRichJambos said:
Still clearly upset from yesterday's hilarious news.
Nope, can you point out what in that shows I am upset at a completely irrelevant situation to the issue we are talking about?
You are right it is hilarious, a club makes an approach for another club's manager that previously was theirs. A manager hounded by that club's fans that even paid for a plane to fly overhead towing a banner demanding he leave. A manager derided by that club's fans that had them sitting 2nd in the top league when he left. How's it gone since?
Now back to the points raised, that are actually relevant if you can...
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1 minute ago, MegaRichJambos said:
The fact stands, Lawwell shut down the league to protect 9iar.
The tainted title, promotions, relegations, TV deal refunds and court cases would not be an issue if the league was played to a finish.
Nobody can seriously argue with that.
Meanwhile Ann Budge, who found funding for all the club's is being painted as a terrorist.
That's why Scottish football matters to nobody outside this small country.
Can you please list the facts that would allow the season to be played to a finish? Just the facts typed out one fact per line, without mentioning England as they can play football and our legislature has said we can't?
Yes we can, many sensible people can, easily.
I thought someone else approached her? She did nothing, certainly according to her statement she made to Radio Scotland which was broadcast so we could hear her words.
To be fair why would it matter to anyome outside Scotland? How many folk care about Macedonian, Bosnian, Chilean, Vietnamese, Austrian, Danish, Mexican football to name a few outside of their countries?
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7 minutes ago, MegaRichJambos said:
It says more about the one-eyed folk on here tbh.
Anything I have said can be backed up via club statements, the Court petition or common sense.
Not reading the Sun or Record helps too.
Thanks for the 51 votes people, it's a nice number.
I could say it shows someone swimming against the tide of public opinion.
The only thing is you have to read more statements than those released by Hearts whether officially.or given via Tom English.
Myself, I read the Hearts court document, multiple club statements, SPFL statements, debate in here(where reasonable and quantifiable), other places, various news sources to try and hopefully get past the journalists opinion and just get the facts. Also read UEFA and government statements. Also handy are the comments from various club chairmen/CEOs not contained within club statements.
Put that all together and you see through the piss and wind and can then make an informed decision, based on facts as free from bias as possible.
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Interesting in the Scott Burns piece. Basically Neilson told by Ogren if he wanted to speak to Hearts then there was no going back. He only wanted those who were 100% commited to United.
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The Terrible Journalism & Tom English Thread
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
Posted · Edited by Tannadeechee
Yup I'd say
"... SPFL vote chaos."
shows that they do have and are showing bias. I find it astounding that they can put that into writing that all views have been aired! Any dissenting views, however few,have been rounded on and talk over in a condescending manner by English since the vote.