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1 minute ago, ribzanelli said:
Not wishing to stick up for Hearts but is it not the case that they are happy for teams at the top to be named champions, but they don’t think said champions should be promoted?
Yes, they are happy to call the winners.of the leagues Champions, happy for prize money to be handed out based on finishing position & European places based on finishing position, but no promotion or relegation.
If they had stopped Champions being declared, they would have made an "enemy" of Celtic.
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19 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:
I think you meant "en masse", but your version is also true.
Fair point, I did indeed.
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2 hours ago, bennett said:
Apart from several resolutions, an excellent reconstruction plan which should have suited all teams and our dossier which has been proved right.
But Ross Mcarthur apparently told us enough was enough.
Has it been proved right? According to it there was a £10million liability to BT/SKY etc, but that appears to be settled for £2.3million. Combined tv deal was worth £17.5 milion per year for 30 games so £10 million seems a bit steep, even if we factor in foreign broadcaster's and BBC. It does however match, however, amazingly the figure due By SPFL if the legal action is succesful,. How did they know that or was that due to the ICT/Hearts/Rangers plan that umpteen Championship clubs have confirmed was being worked on.
The reconstruction.plan was not excellent nor did it suit all teams or it would have been voted through.
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7 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:
Steven Thomson:
"I've been to Wimbledon to see Roger Federer play a couple of times. It was like he playing a different sport to me."
As long as he wasn't talking about Steve Backley, or Fatima Whitbread
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4 minutes ago, Golden Gordon said:
Yes, but are you willing to follow through with the other unsavoury aspects that are usually concomitant to a campaign of that nature?
I think I' d draw the line at "yours, disgusted of Dundee"
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43 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:
Is there a way we can go about forcing change? I realise I probably sound like an absolute gammon writing that but I'm honestly fed up of the BBC dishing out utter shite yet that's my only source of Scottish football chat so it's that or nothing.
Only thing I can think of is if, like Rangers* fans, we complain on mass they might take notice of a pile of complaints of a similar nature.
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8 minutes ago, ftk said:
It was an idea taken from the pro 14 so the old firm can get their precious 4 old firm games. If other clubs weren't so weak when voting we wouldn't need to plan our whole league around them.
My ideal reconstruction would be 2 leagues of 16. Play each other twice 30 games. Then a champions league style league cup giving teams guaranteed 36 games. Regional leagues underneath.
Never happen though because Scottish is all about the old firm.
This, I could go for. The original idea you put forward nope. Would also potentially make.league closer with only having to play OF* teams twice each rather than 4.
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1 minute ago, parsforlife said:
Caley wanted ‘null and void’ but with prize money distributed based on current placings so they could conveniently still take the cash.
Caley might have denied it but several other championship chairmen at the time called them out and confirmed their actions.
There are 10000 reasons why you shouldn’t employ gardiner, but he’s being backed by Caley in their feeble attempt to try and sneak back into the premiership.Yup, can't see any reason he deserves a "seat" at the negotiating table.
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8 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Don't see how null and void would have been any benefit to Caley, unless they thought there would have been a big advantage playing Dundee Utd instead of Hearts next season. They would have likely lost their second place prize share too. If that story is true I'm surprised he's still in a job when it looks like his loyalties lay elsewhere. Caley denied it outright though.
They did that, BUT that was what prompted Dave McKinnon to publicly come out & put his name to it in the article I linked to. The one linked by me is in response to that ICT statement. Dave McKinnon claims that other Championship clubs will confirm that ICT's CEO was putting this forward.
To be fair it's. not the first that that he's been caught telling "personal versions of the truth" in this saga, eg see Kheredine's apology to Dunfermline.
I agree I don't see exactly what benefit to ICT other than they maybe feel United would have to cost cut if they stayed and as such they'd have more chance of promotion.
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Just now, Romeo said:
I have never been on Kickback before.
Oh...my....word...
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2 minutes ago, Ric said:
I have to say, I'm surprised that Rangers have been so quiet over the Heart of Seethelothian legal action. Knowing the way they operate, if there was a chance to claim Celtic shouldn't have been awarded the title (and thus 9iar) you'd think they'd take it. Successful businesswoman Ann Budge's cowardly avoidance of that clearly opens it up for comment.
Working in the background, see
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4 minutes ago, Austin McCann said:
"Doesn't make sense"
But it's ok for other teams that could possibly have finished bottom to "expect to be saved while not playing all their games"
Who is that?
If you mean Brechin then...
Brechin avoid a playoff to see if they stay up or go down. Exactly the same as
Hamilton
Ross County
St. Mirren
QoS
Alloa
Forfar
Peterhead
Who were all in playoff place or could easily have ended up in it. But, but Brechin
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Should also point out that this legal action from Hearts matches the proposed "plan" that Spoofer from ICT is alleged to have put forward. This plan that he said was being worked on by ICT, Hearts & Rangers was effectively "null & void" but hand out positional prize money.
This was reported in the Daily Record, which prompted the ICT chairman to say
"There is not a scintilla of truth in this disgraceful hatchet piece published in that Glasgow newspaper.”
Dave McKinnon of Morton then confirmed that ICT were talking shite. This was reported back on 12 May.
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2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
As I say, Hearts very first argument in that paper (if its real), is that they never got 38 games so the season shouldn't be called. They then claim it's fine to hand Celtic the title despite them not playing 38 games.
Yup, that's the nub of it, they are cherry picking what fits and what doesn't.
Can't relegate as season didn't complete
Can call champions even though season "didn't complete"
Can't promote as season didn't complete
Can hand out final placing prize money even though season "didn't complete"
Can award European competition places based on league placings even though season "didn't complete"
So if season didn't complete, then none.of those things can be carried out.
If those things that are being carried out can only happen upon the qualified ending of the league then all must be carried out as league has ended.
"The Clubs for the time being entitled in terms of these Rules to participate in the Premiership shall, disregarding any abandoned or postponed matches, play in 38 League Matches in any one Season.”
Nice of them to do the SPFL's defence in their own lodged legal action.
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10 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said:
The money that Doncaster is having to refund to SKY/BT/BBC would have covered the costs of finishing the season behind closed doors. Would just have resulted in a month or two delay to starting next season. But do you think RR gave that a moment's thought before voting to f**k a handful of other teams?
With regards the above comment, I point you towards my post from yesterday. It is not a handful of teams and many of those teams affected or fucked as you eloquently put it voted to, to use your phrase, f**k themselves as in their view it was for the best for Scottish football as a whole rather than their self interest (promotion, bigger gates, more prize money, glory).
21 hours ago, Tannadeechee said:This is my point also, especially with the way Tom English spouts forth. Everytime he(or others to be fair) brings up Kelty and Brora being denied promotion. They weren't/haven't been, they've been denied a play off to have a play off see if they can win a promotion. As have...
ICT
Ayr United
Dundee
Arbroath (possibly)
Dunfermline (possibly)*
Morton (ossibly)*
Falkirk
Airdrie
Montrose
East Fife
Edinburgh City
Elgin
Cowdenbeath
Queens Park
Many voted to give this up for what they felt was for the best for Scottish Football, not just "f**k Hearts and Partick!" (Stranraer were 9pts adrift). Them you have English telling Cowdenbeath's Donald Findlay, when this was pointed out, "were you really?" & Telling him your form wasn't good enough. They were in 4th place, a play off place. They had more chance of a playoff than Hearts of avoiding relegation.
Then there is the lack of relegation for Brechin. I think they mean Brechin avoid a playoff to see if they stay up or go down. Exactly the same as
Hamilton
Ross County
St. Mirren
QoS
Alloa
Forfar
Peterhead
Who were all in playoff place or could easily have ended up in it. But, but Brechin
"Tainted titles", shouldn't get promotion because season never finished, so how does that square with Kelty Hearts? 5 games to go 6 pts clear of Bonnyrigg Rose who had a game in hand. Yet they should be promoted??
There are always going to be winners & losers, it is unavoidable. But there is some amount of truth bending, facts being ignored and similar situations airbrushed if they don't fit the point. In short there is some amount of absolute bollocks talked from press, fans, clubs etc. You can't focus on one "escape"/"wrong doing" while ignoring the rest.
* Added thanks to DeeTillEhDeh reminding me that they were only 3 & 4 pts off play off place respectfully.
This month or two that you keep banging on about, how would this have worked?
We still are not allowed, by those who make the laws, to play football in Scotland. That would mean those 8 games, plus play offs, STILL could not be played.
When would they have started training?
If they were training so that they were ready to go at the drop of a hat that would mean that players could not be furloughed as they were working.
The new Sky contract causes a bit of an issue due to it being a legal document between two parties that would not be able to commence when it had been agreed.
UEFA has a deadline set for leagues further down the rankings, that we fall into in Scotland, to notify them of that leagues representatives. How would that fit in?
I'm not trying to be a dick about things, but some of these have been put to you and not really answered. I'm asking as I genuinely would like to know how this could have been done.
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11 minutes ago, JamesM82 said:
1. The government told the SFA teams couldn't train or play until mid-June, so the SFA banned all football activity until 12 June.
2. You need about four weeks from beginning training to play proper games, that means the season couldn't restart until mid-July. That means 2019/20, which had 8/9 games left in the league + playoffs, couldn't have been finished until late August.
3. The new Sky contract is supposed to start on 1 August. Playing 2019/20 until late August would have meant that contract would have been invalidated, and (at best) would have had to be renegotiated. In a terrible economic situation and with Sky having had lord knows how many people having cancelled their subs since March.
4. This was confirmed after the SPFL made its decisions, but UEFA now need entrants for their 2020/21 competitions from countries ranked 16th or below (including Scotland) to be submitted by 3rd August. If we hadn't made that decision, UEFA would now be screaming at us to get the season finished by 3rd August, which we wouldn't be able to do. That's what is happening in Northern Ireland - their clubs agreed to keep the season open, then voted against two proposals to curtail it, but because of UEFA's deadline they can't physically complete the 2019/20 season. So they're now going to have to curtail the season after all.
I wonder if someone could tell football pundit Steven Thomson, especially point 4. Really grinds my gears that those paid to speak and report on football lack the facts that fans with non football/sport journalist jobs know. In the days of instant research via the internet there is no excuse!
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29 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:
Tell me about the nature of the reconstruction that would remedy this.
Exactly. A 14 team top league has everyone playing each other twice then split.Top 6 play each other twice as do bottom 8. Heard it from so many people, but like you I fail to see how this will make much difference to the over all league other than make everyone poorer.
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11 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
Not that it will make a difference but I've put in a complaint about English's bias.
It's not journalism by any stretch of the imagination - but ill-informed, factually inaccurate guff supporting one side of the argument but never exploring the other side.
I expect better.Same here. Had enough, he is on a publicly funded broadcaster not a fan podcast.
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6 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:
Especially successful business persons.
We'll some of them at least!!
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25 minutes ago, ewan14 said:
At least John Collins played some of his football on the continent
It increased his ( footballing ) outlook on life , and made him a better player
It did and made it possible to take his top off to make points to players & I believe had very poor man manager skills. Proof that just because you played & were decent, you have the skills required.
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2 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:
John Collins - 'Why should you let people that haven't played football make decisions?'
Did I just hear that correctly?! Because Scottish football is largely funded by those people you absolute fucking whopper.
Just because.you played football does not mean you are best placed or intelligent enough or in general have to ability to do that.
Most of these ex players live in a football vacuum and folk from outside bring other strengths and knowledge, which should work alongside those from football.
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I made the mistake of turning it on, curiosity got the better of me, wish I'd stayed outside cutting the.grass and weeding!
Tuned in just as Richard Gordon was telling Tom English (correctly) that there was nothing in the rules stopping any "no" vote being changed.
Christ on a bike this is the broadcasting equivalent of a chimps tea party. It's a competition to see who can miss the point spectacularly.
John Collins is a tool. Just listened to the Arguments for colt teams. "These 18 & 19 year olds won't get into the Celtic 1st team, so their development is blocked". Move clubs then. "I'm all for developing young Scottish players". So how can these teams only have Scottish players? Surely that is against discrimination law?
f**k me this is appalling.
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I take its not worth downloading tonight to listen to? Just more of the same...
It's not fair
The clubs that didn't vote with Hearts,Thistle,Stranraer all were wrong & riddled with self interest, rather than the good of the game.
Hearts,Thistle,Stranraer, Kelty & Brora unfairly punished.
No other club affected
Kelty & Brora denied promotion
Hearts etc "punching back"
No other point of view or reason listened to.
Just like every other Sportsound broadcast/podcast for last 6 -8 weeks?
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8 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:13 minutes ago, Tannadeechee said:This is my point also, especially with the way Tom English spouts forth. Everytime he(or others to be fair) brings up Kelty and Brora being denied promotion. They weren't/haven't been, they've been denied a play off to have a play off see if they can win a promotion. As have...
ICT
Ayr United
Dundee
Arbroath (possibly)
Falkirk
Airdrie
Montrose
East Fife
Edinburgh City
Elgin
Cowdenbeath
Queens Park
Many voted to give this up for what they felt was for the best for Scottish Football, not just "f**k Hearts and Patrick!" (Stranraer were 9pts adrift). Them you have English telling Cowdenbeath's Donald Findlay, when this was pointed out, "were you really?" & Telling him your form wasn't good enough. They were in 4th place, a play off place. They had more chance of a playoff than Hearts of avoiding relegation.
Then there is the lack of relegation for Brechin. I think they mean Brechin avoid a playoff to see if they stay up or go down. Exactly the same as
Hamilton
Ross County
St. Mirren
QoS
Alloa
Forfar
Peterhead
Who were all in playoff place or could easily have ended up in it. But, but Brechin
"Tainted titles", shouldn't get promotion because season never finished, so how does that square with Kelty Hearts? 5 games to go 6 pts clear of Bonnyrigg Rose who had a game in hand. Yet they should be promoted??
There are always going to be winners & losers, it is unavoidable. But there is some amount of truth bending, facts being ignored and similar situations airbrushed if they don't fit the point. In short there is some amount of absolute bollocks talked from press, fans, clubs etc. You can't focus on one "escape"/"wrong doing" while ignoring the rest.
You could also add Morton and Dunfermline to that list as they were also just outside the playoffs.
Good point only 3 & 4pts back from play off place. Easy to forget that 2-7 in Championship were in with a chance of promotion playoffs and the rest relegation playoffs, pretty much everyone with something to play for. Yet inspite of this Championship voted to end.
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League Reconstruction 20/21 season
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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Sorry , my mistake, £2.3 million to BT (which may have been less if ND hadn't slagged them publicly, which wasn't a good look) and £1.5 million to Sky. Forgot about that last amount.
Foreign is £2 million a year so at worst would be £500000 (ie a quarter, 8 games not played).
BBC deal is £2.8million a season, most would be £700000.
Total would be maximum £5million. How much would we have had to pay in penalties to Sky if new contract couldn't start, or was delayed or shortened due to lengthened 209-20 season?