Fife Saint Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Buffed up to military standard VT? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I tell you what, if this does go ahead, and is under the auspicies of what the councils statement says, i would be pretty pissed off as a creditor as well as a council tax payer. God, it is possible to assume there could be some insider trading going on here. Under those terms from the council, i very much doubt any court would sanction this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Buffed up to military standard VT? They've been gathering dust, but 12 hours is ample time. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCL Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Aye, whatever your still at your personal vandetta Aye, whatever 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 How long do these sorts of cases take? I mean, are we likely to hear any kind of outcome tomorrow? This is only guesswork so, for what it is worth, here is my guess. The hearing will be deferred for a month in order that a small inconsistency can be clarified. The history of this hardly points to a snap decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AND180Y Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 This is only guesswork so, for what it is worth, here is my guess. The hearing will be deferred for a month in order that a small inconsistency can be clarified. The history of this hardly points to a snap decision. Exactly as I see it. Or Massone files a CVA just to noise everyone up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I think the judge would be doing you a favour. You are getting funnier 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socks Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Yeah, I suppose it would. But that's up to them (and possibly to the council tax payers of West Lothian). If they're given some sort of punishment by the league and, much more importantly, run from hereon in a responsible manner and within their budget whatever that entails then I wouldn't have a big problem with it, at least insofar as it's difficult to see what more could be done from where we are now. Yes, of course it's up to them and the locals, but if the same thing was happening in Fife with some sports club that I wasn't too fussed about, I'd be pretty angry at public money going that way. Just because it isn't in our own area doesn't mean we shouldn't feel some anger about it. I'd be happy to see the club survive in the sustainable manner you describe, but with the council owning the ground and Livingston, in whatever form they may take, having pretty much no option to play anywhere other than Almondvale, the council must surely be in quite a decent position to dictate terms to whoever it is that might take over the club. Instead, it seems that not only are they prepared to put little effort into pursuing what they're owed, they are willing ot greatly reduce future rent. I just don't think it's on for a public body to behave like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyle be back Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I'd be amazed if a decision is made on the day. This things dragged on longer than king dongs walloper after a double leg amputation. I suspect that we will be well into the season before anything happens. Eiother that or a deal is done very quickly which preserves the status quo with WLC, the Trust and McDougall taking over, the SFA remaining silent and Livi continuing in Div 1. Either way I think they'll get away with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryfield Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 A shambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) ANGELO MASSONE last night launched a stinging attack on West Lothian Council as they prepare to pull the plug on his reign at Livingston. The Italian owner is refusing to go quietly after the council finally made their move to put the club into administration. The court of session in Edinburgh will be asked to act this morning after local politicians ran out of patience, with the club £330,000 in debt after failing to pay rent, rates and building insurance. The SFL are monitoring the situation and Livi could even start the new season in the Third Division or with a 15-point deduction in the First. But Massone said: "If one party is killing this football club it's the council. This decision to apply to put the club into administration is a disaster. "Only 10 days ago I deposited £350,000 in my bank account and put a serious business plan in front of the council. I offered to pay them £100,000 immediately but they refused. "I mean, there's a credit crunch on and they refused £100,000? "Maybe they have another project in mind for the stadium at Almondvale. They wrote me letters and said they would not start any legal proceedings without contacting me first and yet they didn't even tell me about this. "I want to save this club and I have been speaking very seriously with people about third-party involvement. But this move from the council is the way to kill the club." But council leader Peter Johnston said: "A secure future for senior football in West Lothian remains our priority and we have taken this legal action with great reluctance. "However, we have a clear duty to all residents and businesses in West Lothian to make every effort to ensure the debt is repaid." Potential saviour Gordon McDougall is ready to move immediately, while former Dumbarton chairman Neil Rankine is also keen to take over the club. McDougall said: "I'm aware of the situation and hope things work out well for the club." Livi are due to travel to Queen of the South tomorrow in the Challenge Cup and there are no fears about the game at this stage. The mans a fruit cake Or Massone files a CVA just to noise everyone up Seems to be the case according to one of the rags "Cash strapped Livi have struck a life saving CVA which will allow Livi to carry on for now " Edited July 24, 2009 by Rovers_Lad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberdeen Cowden Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I'd be amazed if a decision is made on the day. This things dragged on longer than king dongs walloper after a double leg amputation. I suspect that we will be well into the season before anything happens. Eiother that or a deal is done very quickly which preserves the status quo with WLC, the Trust and McDougall taking over, the SFA remaining silent and Livi continuing in Div 1. Either way I think they'll get away with it. You are right the SFL will remain silent. They must be wetting themselves at the thought of making a decision. I still cannot believe that Gordon McDoog will be involved with this lot - if he is Livy will stay in the third division or if they have a good season, the second but they will never see the first again but at least they won't be in debt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AND180Y Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 I tell you what, if this does go ahead, and is under the auspicies of what the councils statement says, i would be pretty pissed off as a creditor as well as a council tax payer.God, it is possible to assume there could be some insider trading going on here. Under those terms from the council, i very much doubt any court would sanction this. Rumour has it that a number of West Lothian businesses are watching developments with a view to instructing legal counsel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AND180Y Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Its the way they worded the statement that intrigues me. They should not, nor can i believe they can, suggest this is the way to preserve senior football in livingston without having some prior knowledge of outside interest that would be acceptable to the appointed administrators.This statement just doesnt seem right to me, unless i have interpreted it incorrectly which i dont think i have. As a point of interest, does anyone get a vote on this. If administrators come in, dont they say what will and what will not be???. Yes they do, but the deals will have been done already. He who pays the piper and all that, everyone has a price. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingfaetheSooth Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 What you have to remember is that West Lothian Council stand to get the asset of the freehold back lease-free if they win this action in court today. That is worth a fair bit and gives them all the cards and options going fowward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghPar1975 Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 Massone said: "If one party is killing this football club it's the council. This decision to apply to put the club into administration is a disaster."Only 10 days ago I deposited £350,000 in my bank account and put a serious business plan in front of the council. I offered to pay them £100,000 immediately but they refused. "I mean, there's a credit crunch on and they refused £100,000? "Maybe they have another project in mind for the stadium at Almondvale. They wrote me letters and said they would not start any legal proceedings without contacting me first and yet they didn't even tell me about this. If ever there was a quote that summed the man up then this is it. He's a total idiot! If he had the money he should have paid what was due...numpty. ..and as for having plans for the stadium...maybe that him instead of the council. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AND180Y Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 If ever there was a quote that summed the man up then this is it. He's a total idiot! If he had the money he should have paid what was due...numpty...and as for having plans for the stadium...maybe that him instead of the council. He couldn't give all the cash to the council as there are other creditors, he would have needed to distribute the cash ampongst them all pro-rata. He definately had plans for the stadium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AND180Y Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 (edited) 9.38am, they could be in admin. Edited July 24, 2009 by AND180Y 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 ANGELO MASSONE last night launched a stinging attack on West Lothian Council as they prepare to pull the plug on his reign at Livingston."Only 10 days ago I deposited £350,000 in my bank account and put a serious business plan in front of the council. I offered to pay them £100,000 immediately but they refused. "I mean, there's a credit crunch on and they refused £100,000? "Maybe they have another project in mind for the stadium at Almondvale. They wrote me letters and said they would not start any legal proceedings without contacting me first and yet they didn't even tell me about this. Does no one proof read this buffoon's statements before he releases them? What a fuckwit. He's got £350,000 sitting in his bank account, but WLC are only getting £100,000 of it. What a swampy. Whatever the outcome is, it'll be messy and will probably drag on for some time. It's been said many times before but i think the Trust need to be looking at getting those fans who are serious about keeping a football team in Livingston and either look into investing in Livingston Juniors, or starting again from scratch. Very hard work, but at least you'll find out who the true fans are, as the hangers-on who can't be arsed with anything that might entail lower division/non-league football will f**k off back to supporting Rangers or Celtic from their living rooms. Others will know more about my next point then me. IF Livi are wound up, i take it the Council own the stadium land, and can therefore do what they see fit with it, ie housing/retail development etc? If so, then i don't think they'll have too many qualms about taking serious action against Livi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted July 24, 2009 Share Posted July 24, 2009 He couldn't give all the cash to the council as there are other creditors, he would have needed to distribute the cash ampongst them all pro-rata. He definately had plans for the stadium. Why? The club isnt in admin, surely he can choose which bills to pay and which not to. Isnt that what they've been doing all this time anyway? That quote from Massone really is bizarre. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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