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Yeah, Steve Kean knows the Scottish game pretty well, he's knows what he's getting. Whether Bruce wants to go is another story.

On second thoughts we might not be completely fucked without him. He's been under utilised over the last couple of seasons, due to injury/diabetes/the whims of Martindale, and we've gone through large portions of the last 2 seasons without him and survived absolutely fine. He's clearly not considered as undroppable, there's no reason why we couldn't replace him with someone who fits Davie's philosophy better.

 

Did I sound convincing? 👀

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4 minutes ago, LiviLion said:

Wonder if the cash from Anderson would make us less likely to sell Nouble? Pending a very good offer.

Need something to be hopeful about

It's not impossible Nouble could sign a new deal. He'd only ever been at a low level prior to us so he's not a player used to earning high wages. We've hit a financial downturn at the wrong time to be offering him a decent contract extension, though, so unfortunately the chances are remote. He may still stay until January or until next summer, though. We'd lose out on a transfer fee but gain on the pitch from having our best player.

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On the Alloa game, didn't think much of the trialist that played RWB, always played the ball back when he got it, bar one back heeler which was good. Brandon worked well with Boyes going down the left wing though, then changed over to the right and had a good game there too.

Liam Kelly had a stinker too, and was replaced by Holt.

Difficult to judge the 2nd half with the amount of changes we made, but the big trialist CB looked decent.

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Just now, LIVIFOREVER said:

On the Alloa game, didn't think much of the trialist that played RWB, always played the ball back when he got it, bar one back heeler which was good. Brandon worked well with Boyce going down the left wing though, then changed over to the right and had a good game there too.

Liam Kelly had a stinker too, and was replaced by Holt.

Difficult to judge the 2nd half with the amount of changes we made, but the big trialist CB looked decent.

Weird how some people see the game in different ways. Thought the boy at RWB was pretty good and the CB stinking. CB was falling over the ball quite a bit and ended up out of position quite a few times.

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1 minute ago, ATLIS said:

Weird how some people see the game in different ways. Thought the boy at RWB was pretty good and the CB stinking. CB was falling over the ball quite a bit and ended up out of position quite a few times.

We had nothing down the right wing till Brandon switched over there, the trialist was far too passive playing the ball back all the time, and wouldn't take a player on. Impressed with Brandon though, with him on the right and Montano/Penrice on the left we have a decent set up, but we'll still need another RWB signed, and that trialist isn't it.

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Thought Miles Welch-Hayes played okay but seemed to seriously lack confidence and was fairly reticent about taking on a defender in an attacking position; often preferring to pass it backwards. At an age of 26 I would have expected a bit more confidence. 

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There's the cliché that you can't judge a player by Youtube footage but I think you can actually get a decent idea from it. Welch-Hayes looks very much like he's always played right back in a 4. He's defensively strong and noticeably good in the air for a full back. When he joins attacks its more about his off the ball running and he keeps his touches on the ball to a minimum. He's not much of a dribbler. So he's probably a more conservative alternative to Brandon down that right side. Jack McMillan was similar in that he wasn't really a dribbler yet did fine at right wing back for us when he played there. We even had Lamie playing as a very defensive wing back for us in the 18/19 season although he always had Dolly Menga peeling wide left ahead of him to pass to. Similar can be done with Welch-Hayes. A high wide right passing option can be made for him when he's in possession and him being more defensive potentially allows for Montaño/Penrice to bomb forward more on the left flank.

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49 minutes ago, ATLIS said:

Wonder if we'll be sniffing about Theo Bair, just released by St Johnstone. Rarely played for them but Martindale seemed to like him before

I wondered that too...not rated by St Johnstone fans but he looks like the type of player that would fit our style

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1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Hoping Martindale has a striker lined up, and he's bloody good.

Sure he will have a number of targets already given we were already looking for options in that position.

Not sure how I will feel about this until we know how much the bid was. It's a big life change for Anderson, I'm not certain he will go either.

Edited to add: Theo Bair is a wild shout given we already have Guthrie. Should be a replacement for Anderson or a completely different option as a plan b.

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5 hours ago, Cptn Hooch said:

I wondered that too...not rated by St Johnstone fans but he looks like the type of player that would fit our style

Dont look at his size and think hes an aggressive physical type, as hes not. If you took a foot off his height youd have the same player.

Hes seemingly not in Scotland anymore and, presumably, back in North America looking for a new club.

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Woke up this morning and.... no it wasn't a dream.

I know we're in danger of overanalysing things but....

Why did DM play Anderson last night unless:

         1.  He'd already promised him a game?

         2. The Georgia side had put in a provisional offer but wanted to see him play before hardening it up?

         3. DM had no other options (not true because there was Guthrie and the no 19 trialist on the bench)

When playing in the first half Anderson struggled a bit which I though was due to Alloa having virtually 10 players behind the ball meaning that he didn't get his customary space but it could have been a degree of eagerness to impress if he knew he was being observed?

After he scored his goal he started playing deep and leaving the front running to the no 19 trialist. This was a totally unusual position for Bruce but it did show his versatility.

Bruce is currently 24 yet he probably get paid a quarter of what he could (and should?) be on as a premiership striker. A couple of years playing in Georgia could potentially set him up for life (maybe better than eight years playing for Livingston?). However it would likely be a complete culture shock and we don't know his personal circumstances so the real danger is we assess the move on our own situation and background. At 24 your outlook is different - it could be the start of an exciting chapter in his life.

Whatever his decision he certainly has my best wishes.

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Before pre season started I had been wondering why nobody was talking about trying to cash in on Anderson if possible this summer. 

Even though last season wasn't his best due to injuries etc I didn't want him to be leaving but given we were trying to offload Fitzwater and now Nouble for cash I found it odd we weren't thinking along the same lines for Anderson.

Got to think he's extremely unlikely to sign a new deal so financially selling him is a good idea and we have to hope Martindale was already looking at strikers / adding goals to the team seeing as we had the lowest goals for in the league last season.

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16 minutes ago, DavideFernandezLoveChild said:

Would the boy from Ayr, Akenyemi, become a reasonable option if we cash in on Anderson? Would imagine they would be looking for similar money as to what we would be getting from the Georgian team. 

Devastated if we lose him.

We got Alan Forrest from Ayr didn't we - with a hefty sell on clause but he saw bout his contract and they (and we) got nothing.

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19 minutes ago, DavideFernandezLoveChild said:

Would the boy from Ayr, Akenyemi, become a reasonable option if we cash in on Anderson? Would imagine they would be looking for similar money as to what we would be getting from the Georgian team. 

Devastated if we lose him.

I would doubt it, not sure if anything's changed but bigger teams than us have had bids rejected for him over the past few months

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You guys are in the opposite position to us right now, you’re losing all your better players and struggling to replace them, whereas we can’t get rid of players and are struggling to replace those who we’ve lost. 
 

Surely we can both figure this out and ensure Dundee finish bottom? 

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20 minutes ago, DavideFernandezLoveChild said:

Would the boy from Ayr, Akenyemi, become a reasonable option if we cash in on Anderson? Would imagine they would be looking for similar money as to what we would be getting from the Georgian team. 

Devastated if we lose him.

I’ve no idea what you’re getting for Anderson but we’re holding out for a fee in the region of £200K. He’s also looking to move back to England so I doubt the move would interest him. 

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