LiviCurryCider Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Shit, what was I thinking? I meant to say religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Q: Why the sudden influx of shit 'Livingston-supporting' trolls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 It seems obvious what should be done. The burqa or niqab or any other piece of clothing should not be banned. If there's some areas or buildings (such as post offices) where the law or the rules state that nobody's allowed to enter with their face covered, then women covering their face have to uncover or not enter. That's the only sensible option. I'm sure there are instances of women feeling pressured into doing certain things by their family, in this regard. But if we're going to legislate against anything which people feel 'pressured' into doing by family or a certain section of society then we'd have to bring a huge number of laws on a range if issues. You don't have to like these items or the reason why they're worn but that's no reason to ban them. The Belgian decision was stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthshirebell Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Q: Why the sudden influx of shit 'Livingston-supporting' trolls? They are the same person and not a particularly smart one. Start a thread about class sizes, quango's or expenses and you won't get a word out of them. Post anything to do with /religion/creed and expect lots of nonsensical short replys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Freud Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 It seems obvious what should be done. The burqa or niqab or any other piece of clothing should not be banned. If there's some areas or buildings (such as post offices) where the law or the rules state that nobody's allowed to enter with their face covered, then women covering their face have to uncover or not enter. That's the only sensible option. I'm sure there are instances of women feeling pressured into doing certain things by their family, in this regard. But if we're going to legislate against anything which people feel 'pressured' into doing by family or a certain section of society then we'd have to bring a huge number of laws on a range if issues. You don't have to like these items or the reason why they're worn but that's no reason to ban them. The Belgian decision was stupid. Nothing more to say on that, excellent post. Have a red dot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Nothing more to say on that, excellent post. Have a red dot. You're a rotter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviCurryCider Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 They are the same person and not a particularly smart one. You must be referring to "Livi-Ulster". Nah, I know him though. He's an intelligent guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Court Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Is this the thin end of la wedge ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Bump. There has been a recent debate on this, with a judge ruling that full face veils should be removed to give evidence in trials and the issue being raised in fringe meetings at the Liberal Democrat conference in Glasgow. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24106142 I don't think you can ban items of clothing. There are obviously some situations where having a fully covered face is not appropriate and I agree that people should have to remove face coverings if giving evidence but people's bodies are their own. Whether people want to get their breasts out for Nuts or wear a full face ninja outfit then that's their choice. I do think that the philosophy behind the niqab and even behind headscarves is wrong and anti-human but people can believe it and wear clothes that reflect their beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Bump. There has been a recent debate on this, with a judge ruling that full face veils should be removed to give evidence in trials and the issue being raised in fringe meetings at the Liberal Democrat conference in Glasgow. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24106142 I don't think you can ban items of clothing. There are obviously some situations where having a fully covered face is not appropriate and I agree that people should have to remove face coverings if giving evidence but people's bodies are their own. Whether people want to get their breasts out for Nuts or wear a full face ninja outfit then that's their choice. I do think that the philosophy behind the niqab and even behind headscarves is wrong and anti-human but people can believe it and wear clothes that reflect their beliefs. Don't they have to show their faces in Pakistani courts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Don't they have to show their faces in Pakistani courts? Yes, full face veils aren't allowed if you are giving evidence in Pakistani courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 There was a girl in full veil interviewed on Channel 4 news last night. Total rocket. Said that the judges can see their face before a trial, ignoring that it's for the benefit of the jury. Turned it round to being a symbol of female oppression and went off on one, making little mention of veils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Yes, full face veils aren't allowed if you are giving evidence in Pakistani courts. Yeah I was sure that was the case. If its good enough for a muslim state then it shouldnt be any issue for here either in the same circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Another bump. It seems that a racial abuse and threats trial could be abandoned because a key prosecution witness has refused to take the stand without a veil. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14145051.Trial_adjourned_after_witness_refuses_to_give_evidence_without_a_veil/ I honestly don't think you can have people with covered faces giving evidence in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathematics Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Banning the burqa is up there (or down there) with banning tea-bagging. How I live my life (including how I dress) should be of no concern to the government, unless I am harming innocents along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I would support the mandatory wearing of burkas for ugly, fat chicks. Islam is ahead of the curve here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Another bump. It seems that a racial abuse and threats trial could be abandoned because a key prosecution witness has refused to take the stand without a veil. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14145051.Trial_adjourned_after_witness_refuses_to_give_evidence_without_a_veil/ I honestly don't think you can have people with covered faces giving evidence in court. Jail her for contempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Banning the burqa is up there (or down there) with banning tea-bagging. How I live my life (including how I dress) should be of no concern to the government, unless I am harming innocents along the way. But you regularly teabag innocents though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino7 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Banning the burqa is up there (or down there) with banning tea-bagging. How I live my life (including how I dress) should be of no concern to the government, unless I am harming innocents along the way. I'm not sure you would get away with they in public and especially not in court. They should be banned in court. Can whitness' go in wearing a balaclava? If not there shouldn't be any exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't see this as a problem in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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