jock001 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Sign of four is where Watson meets and proposes to Mary. How do people not understand that this is a "based on" series and not faithful recreations? The Conan Doyle tales have been told and retold dozens of times, if the purists want word for word reenactment they should watch one of the versions that actually does that. Even though it is only based on the conan doyle novels and clearly much better written, I expected to see a big dog in the baskerville episode and in the 'sign of....' episode I expected a dwarf/pygmy and a boat chase. Otherwise why use those titles for the episodes? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happysouth Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Even though it is only based on the conan doyle novels and clearly much better written, I expected to see a big dog in the baskerville episode and in the 'sign of....' episode I expected a dwarf/pygmy and a boat chase. Otherwise why use those titles for the episodes? Except the title wasnt the same as the original story and related to watson, mary and their unborm baby which makes perfect sense. Its a nod to the original with a twist. Which sums up the whole idea behind the show. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_Arab Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Except the title wasnt the same as the original story and related to watson, mary and their unborm baby which makes perfect sense. Its a nod to the original with a twist. Which sums up the whole idea behind the show. Agree, without actually following the old stories at all, there IS little winks and nods throughout. "The Game is Afoot.....On!". Anybody notice in the first episode, when Sherlock returns to fly through cases with Molly as his assistant, there was a mention of a woman who's online boyfriend had stopped making contact, and within seconds Sherlock had deduced that it was her Stepfather behind it? Only lasted seconds, but was straight from the ACD story "A Case of Identity" from the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes. I'm sure there's a few more over all the episodes. Glad I read this thread again..... had a look at the Digital Spy forum, and started to think I was the only one who has enjoyed the last two episodes! I can see where some are coming from, that with only 3 episodes per season, there's no room for character development. But the comedy moments have been fantastic, and you just know that both episodes are building towards part 3... just as the last two series have done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Agree, without actually following the old stories at all, there IS little winks and nods throughout. "The Game is Afoot.....On!". Anybody notice in the first episode, when Sherlock returns to fly through cases with Molly as his assistant, there was a mention of a woman who's online boyfriend had stopped making contact, and within seconds Sherlock had deduced that it was her Stepfather behind it? Only lasted seconds, but was straight from the ACD story "A Case of Identity" from the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes. I'm sure there's a few more over all the episodes. Glad I read this thread again..... had a look at the Digital Spy forum, and started to think I was the only one who has enjoyed the last two episodes! I can see where some are coming from, that with only 3 episodes per season, there's no room for character development. But the comedy moments have been fantastic, and you just know that both episodes are building towards part 3... just as the last two series have done. What are the books like? I've got them all on my generic e reader, but currently embroiled in the Game of Thrones series. The TV show has piqued my interest in the books. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Psychosis Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 What are the books like? I've got them all on my generic e reader, but currently embroiled in the Game of Thrones series. The TV show has piqued my interest in the books. I find them very enjoyable and have read them multiple times. Won't be to everyone's taste but I'd recommend giving them a go. The shorter stories (ie not the full length novels) are ideal for reading in short bursts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I find them very enjoyable and have read them multiple times. Won't be to everyone's taste but I'd recommend giving them a go. The shorter stories (ie not the full length novels) are ideal for reading in short bursts. Read them all too, the best ones are absolutely superb, The Sign of Four is a masterpiece. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 What are the books like? I've got them all on my generic e reader, but currently embroiled in the Game of Thrones series. The TV show has piqued my interest in the books. They're pretty good but they're over 100 years old so they are written in victorian style English. Personally I'd compare them to lord of the rings : They aren't the best in the genre but they're pretty good and worth reading just because they are the first in the genre. Nowhere near as good as game of thrones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_Arab Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 They're pretty good but they're over 100 years old so they are written in victorian style English. Personally I'd compare them to lord of the rings : They aren't the best in the genre but they're pretty good and worth reading just because they are the first in the genre. Nowhere near as good as game of thrones. Agree with Jock, a bit old fashioned, but once you get into that way of writing they're great. It's clever the way they are presented though, through the eye's and words of Watson from him Journal (loved the modern day take with the blogs!). It was a clever way of writing it, a bit like Dracula and how it was written as diary entries. To be honest, the best way to get through them is with audio books, although make sure you get someone with a British accent. The American ones are awful! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Ponce Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 That latest episode was utter shite. The drunk scene was as unfunny as it was unnecessary. The writers have removed Sherlock too far from the character in the books no doubt due to believing their own hype. What a waste of good actors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The approach in the series to the stories is excellent. Cumberbatch does a good, edgy Holmes, mibbies lifted a bit from Jeremy Brett's take from the early 80's. Youtube has most of the episodes. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jeremy+brett+sherlock+holmes+full+episodes+&sm=1 Mr Amazon's emporium has the full set for not a lot of moolah. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sherlock-Holmes-Complete-Collection-DVD/dp/B002EAKWEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1389205661&sr=8-1&keywords=jeremy+brett+sherlock+holmes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happysouth Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 That latest episode was utter shite. The drunk scene was as unfunny as it was unnecessary. The writers have removed Sherlock too far from the character in the books no doubt due to believing their own hype. What a waste of good actors. You're entitled to your opinion. Could you elaborate on the differences in character of sherlock in the books and this one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You're entitled to your opinion. Could you elaborate on the differences in character of sherlock in the books and this one? Composing the piece of music on the violin for Watson and his wife was very "Holmes". Unlike anything else in the episode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happysouth Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Unlike anything else in the episode. Examples being? Not trying to be difficult im just interested to know what specific things this holmes does that the original didnt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happysouth Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Examples being? Not trying to be difficult im just interested to know what specific things this holmes does that the original didnt. And obviously I dont mean use a smartphone/internet/laptop etc :-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Ponce Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Holmes would never have been such a socialite. It's been a while since I've read the books but I'm pretty sure he doesn't even go to the wedding although he is there when the couple leave the church which is seen as a big deal. The relationship between the two is too prominent an hour of laddy banter followed by 20 minutes of mystery was a poor mix. While we are at it Lestrade is too competent and Mycroft's superior intelligence is barely touch on. I think both were important in my enjoyment of the books. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happysouth Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Holmes would never have been such a socialite. It's been a while since I've read the books but I'm pretty sure he doesn't even go to the wedding although he is there when the couple leave the church which is seen as a big deal. The relationship between the two is too prominent an hour of laddy banter followed by 20 minutes of mystery was a poor mix. While we are at it Lestrade is too competent and Mycroft's superior intelligence is barely touch on. I think both were important in my enjoyment of the books. Ok. Cheers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Holmes would never have been such a socialite. It's been a while since I've read the books but I'm pretty sure he doesn't even go to the wedding although he is there when the couple leave the church which is seen as a big deal. The relationship between the two is too prominent an hour of laddy banter followed by 20 minutes of mystery was a poor mix. While we are at it Lestrade is too competent and Mycroft's superior intelligence is barely touch on. I think both were important in my enjoyment of the books. I would hardly call the Cumberbatch's Holmes a "socialite". He's clearly massively uncomfortable in social situations. And having never read the books, I think Lestrade's incompetence and Mycroft's superior intelligence are both rather obvious and well played. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Holmes would never have been such a socialite. It's been a while since I've read the books but I'm pretty sure he doesn't even go to the wedding although he is there when the couple leave the church which is seen as a big deal. The relationship between the two is too prominent an hour of laddy banter followed by 20 minutes of mystery was a poor mix. While we are at it Lestrade is too competent and Mycroft's superior intelligence is barely touch on. I think both were important in my enjoyment of the books. ACD's holmes spent most of his life in an opium induced stupour between cases. He was as antisocial as you can get. The moffat/gatiss/thompson Holmes vice is tobacco. Less time spent veging in an opium den means more time socialising. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterman86 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I've enjoyed the shift to being more character focused this series,although the drunken scene was pretty grating. I thought it was a really well put together episode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 This Holmes is based on the ACD novels, it's not a direct transfer from the books. I think his actions in the episode, being best man and somewhat social are within the capabilities of the character that Cumbernatch has preformed. His experiences with The Lady and his friendship with Watson and Watson's fiancee's support of their friendship will lead to him being somewhat more sociable IMO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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