HibeeJibee Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 The SFL board is made up of representatives from the clubs I named, which includes Longmuir, who is an employee of the SFL. They may be individuals, but sit on their own clubs boards and sent to the SFL to represent their club. Therefore, they are accountable to their own club and must accept responsibility for their actions. The bold is the incorrect bit. They're representing - as individuals - the league's membership in order to advance and safeguard the league's objectives. It's a subtle difference but it's not 8 clubs voting it's 8 (theoretically) independent people. When they go to AGMs etc. they're representing their club. On the Board they're not. It's not 30 clubs letting 8 clubs decide things - it's 8 people decide things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Over Scotland Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 An open letter to SFL chairmen: http://wingsland.podgamer.com/an-open-letter-to-sfl-chairmen/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lodmoorhill Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Wish I could go but work does not permit. RRFC should set up some kind of ticket gifting scheme - I'd happily pay for a couple of tickets for local kids to attend. Brilliant idea. I'd gift a couple for sure. It's the least thing we could do to support Turnbull Hutton, and a sellout would send a very clear message. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araminta Moonbeam QC Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Brilliant idea. I'd gift a couple for sure. It's the least thing we could do to support Turnbull Hutton, and a sellout would send a very clear message. Where's Raith Against The Machine? Has he any contacts at the club! I really want to do something to help Turnbull. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) I'm sure this must have been worked out by someone 6000 pages back, but does anyone know what Stenhousemuir would theoretically get from a giant orc invasion several times a season, as opposed to their share of the SPL payment they are being blackmailed with? They wouldn't get sixty grand from two home games. The important point here is that they're budgeting for a situation which would be so flagrantly corrupt that FIFA wouldn't allow it (reneging on the settlement). They don't even have the excuse of petty self-preservation that Dumbarton have. (And by the way, f**k Dumbarton.) Edited July 8, 2012 by Thumper 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Reading through the postings here I am surprised that people themselves seem surprised that various footballing bodies would come up with a decent answer to fix Scottish football difficulties. It's been going on for decades that the people in charge of our game savour established traditions rather than trying to inject interest in football. For example, a parliamentary report into the organisation of Scottish football once declared: "It is obvious that vested interests are a major barrier inhibiting Scottish football re-structuring...The SFA/SPL/SFL are neither strong enough to drive through reform or weak enough to allow one to attempt radical change." Christ, even a 1968 report into football organisation stated "The central direction and leadership of the game in Scotland is fragmented and weak". Despite being surprising it is also refreshing that this overall scenario has led supporters to imagine alternative systems but for them to be implemented instead of fuelling dominance and greed I wouldn't hold my breath. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 The bold is the incorrect bit. They're representing - as individuals - the league's membership in order to advance and safeguard the league's objectives. It's a subtle difference but it's not 8 clubs voting it's 8 (theoretically) independent people. When they go to AGMs etc. they're representing their club. On the Board they're not. It's not 30 clubs letting 8 clubs decide things - it's 8 people decide things. I would imagine you are technically correct, they are there as individuals and not representatives. They must take a decision based on a number of issues, one key issue being the views of paying supporters. It's not the only issue but, given we are talking about professional sport that is dependant upon paying fans, this must be a paramount consideration. There are various opinions on this matter but one think in indisputable, fans of Scottish football want newco in the third division at best ( there's a minority that don't want them at all). The mainstream media have downplayed the overwhelming view of Scottish football fans; even the Sun who ran their own survey gave little prominence to the result. Every fan site, vote at 'consultative forums' on-line newspaper poll makes clear the fans' views. If the members of the SFL board don't know this they are not fit people to hold that position; if they no it and still choose to ignore it then he same applies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Burley's masterpiece: Burley is an idiot. Talking shite to the Old Firm's gloryhunting sofa fans on the telly is his limit. I notice that the article is in the Daily Record, so you know the audience it's aimed at. The Record is like the Daily Mail, in that you think a little less of anyone you see reading it. Edited July 8, 2012 by Scary Bear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I hope as many people as possible can make it along to Stark's Park on Tuesday, to demonstrate support for Turnbull Hutton. We need to show that those with integrity will be rewarded financially. http://www.raithrove...formation-5.htm Come on, ICT central belters. Support Raith and watch County (hopefully) get a kicking at the same time. A bargain for £10. Has this got legs? Could the match be used as a focal point for our anger/dismay? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Didn't see this posted earlier. Any club in the SFL stupid enough to vote for this shit sandwich should be wound up immediately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 The bold is the incorrect bit. They're representing - as individuals - the league's membership in order to advance and safeguard the league's objectives. It's a subtle difference but it's not 8 clubs voting it's 8 (theoretically) independent people. When they go to AGMs etc. they're representing their club. On the Board they're not. It's not 30 clubs letting 8 clubs decide things - it's 8 people decide things. Sounds like a silly idea to me. Easier to "influence" 8 than 30. But then again, maybe that was the original idea. I keep forgetting the machinations that go on in clubs, societies, associations etc. Lots of doublethink, which is often beyond me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTID Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Anyone listen to the sportscotland podcast from yesterday? Steven Pressley was excellent and spoke a lot of sense - thank god not everyone has been taken in by this Doncaster/Regan/media scaremongering. He was spot on - the lack of leadership, seeking this an a opportunity for change not demise, the need to listen to supporters etc. Meanwhile Traynor goes on about the good of the game nonsense. The mainstream media (tabloids, sky sports, talksport, Clyde 1 to name a few) has been so far removed from the general feeling amongst supporters. Hate this greater good notion that has taken its place alongside sporting integrity. There is no greater good in attempting to parachute a newco in div 1. It's corruption, it's greed, it's short termism, it's flawed. Elvis made a great point - what if Rangers don't finish in the promotion places next year, are we just going to reconstruct again until they do? What is being proposed is something that is already predetermined...we CAN'T afford not to have Rangers newco away for 2 years. Regan and Doncaster's positions within the SFA/SPL are untenable regardless of the outcome here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alimci Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 They wouldn't get sixty grand from two home games. The important point here is that they're budgeting for a situation which would be so flagrantly corrupt that FIFA wouldn't allow it (reneging on the settlement). They don't even have the excuse of petty self-preservation that Dumbarton have. (And by the way, f**k Dumbarton.) Cheers for that. What is tragic is how small these numbers are in the outside football world. Maybe we could write to the EPL top earners and ask them to donate a week's wages once a year to sponsor a starving Scottish diddy team. Yaya Toure's weekly wage alone could pay for four diddy teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) I do not read the Daily Mail and am therefore unfamiliar with Patrick Collins. I've just looked up a couple of his pieces and, for an English based sports journalist, he seems to be and knowledgeable and unbiased. No doubt someone will disabuse me of this notion. Patrick Collins is usually worth a read, although he has his own pet hates, chief among which is/was Terry Venables. Can't recall who his present bete noir is off hand. ETA: I don't think he writes for the Daily Mail, just the Mail on Sunday Edited July 8, 2012 by Jacksgranda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Sounds like a silly idea to me. Easier to "influence" 8 than 30. But then again, maybe that was the original idea. I keep forgetting the machinations that go on in clubs, societies, associations etc. Lots of doublethink, which is often beyond me. Purpose of the Board is to conduct the business of the league in a more workable manner than collective meeting. It'd be a pretty unwieldy Board that had 30 people on it. It's like any company / group, with Executive/Board. E.g. SFA = 7, SPL = 6 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roker Rover Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Didn't Burley's restaurant go bust costing loads of businesses money. No doubt that was all the fault of the knuckle dragging idiots he had as customers though and the chip shop competition down the road that was 10 x smaller. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I have a beamer. I also have one on account of Thistle's inevitable capitulation. To be honest, if Thistle held a public meeting as Dumbarton did, you could guarantee that all of the zoomers would be out in force like nodding donkeys agreeing with David Beattie about the "opportunity" afforded by the Rangers debacle. I've seen it before, when the club took over the supporters trust's monthly draw (despite actually running a lottery that lost money) simply by asking for the fans to take a leap of faith and trust them. Even now I'm willing to bet that there are auld guys all over the country who read the Evening Times or the Courier or whatever and believe all the bullshit they are being fed about it being for the good of the game. If destruction is inevitable it's not our fault. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Purpose of the Board is to conduct the business of the league in a more workable manner than collective meeting. It'd be a pretty unwieldy Board that had 30 people on it. It's like any company / group, with Executive/Board. E.g. SFA = 7, SPL = 6 OK, point taken. In "normal" circumstances it is acceptable, then something like this shitstorm brews up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Very well written piece here on a little blog that I know. Not mine I hasten to add, I lack the insight that this guy has, as well as his ability to put it into words. jagsforum blog - simply the rest edited to add I've now read what Burley has to say today and this is the antidote. A fan with a keyboard who says what all right minded fans are thinking. Can't argue with any of that. The people in charge are all banking on people not wishing to kill their own clubs by not attending anymore. They're probably right, but the whole thing stinks to high heavens. The people running the SFA, SFL and SPL are not to be trusted, so where does the game go from that starting point? Edited July 8, 2012 by Scary Bear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I hope as many people as possible can make it along to Stark's Park on Tuesday, to demonstrate support for Turnbull Hutton. We need to show that those with integrity will be rewarded financially. http://www.raithrove...formation-5.htm Come on, ICT central belters. Support Raith and watch County (hopefully) get a kicking at the same time. A bargain for £10. Just been thinking about this again. If anyone DOES think it's a good idea to attend this match to protest, just do it without further publicity or organisation. An "ambush" protest would have more effect and prevent the local plod from getting overtime. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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