Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[The OP]

4 minutes ago, Blue92 said:

Yeah I'm of the opinion that the LMS enquiry decision will be upheld as as Wednesdays decision didn't change the fabric of the LMS outcome. Although we might get held accountable for the destruction of the NHS and the current shortage of equipment available to British soldiers so don't hold your breath

Our brave boys will have to hold their breath in the event of a chemical weapons attack because Rangers 1872 - 2012 have screwed them out of thousands and thousands of gas masks. Least you can do is hold your breath for a very long time, in solidarity.

Edited July 7, 2017 by The OP

[williemillersmoustache]

2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

I firmly believe that the reaction to our calumnies is out of all proportion.  Yes, we fucked up and yes we paid a heavy price, mostly through hubris - our biggest crime.  As England's bard said, Vaulting ambition, which o'erleaps itself 

LNS's censure dealt adequately with our administrative shortcomings and administration dealt adequately with our fiscal imprudence.  Anything further is just giving in to the pitch-fork-wielders and bowing to mob rule.

I know you can't be dispassionate.  As we've discussed ad nauseam you joined P&B simply to post about The Rangers.  You have no capacity to be objective.

I'm not simply offering my opinion in this instance, which is why all the wild hyperbole, ad hominem shite and dismissal of the SC's opinion and the quoted commentators is (and I think you're going to like this one) supervacuus.

[williemillersmoustache]

4 minutes ago, Blue92 said:

Yeah I'm of the opinion that the LMS enquiry decision will be upheld as as Wednesdays decision didn't change the fabric of the LMS outcome. Although we might get held accountable for the destruction of the NHS and the current shortage of equipment available to British soldiers so don't hold your breath

A bit of shame and/or contrition might be nice.

[Blue92]

Our brave boys will have to hold their breath in the event of a chemical weapons attack because Rangers 1872 - 2012 have screwed them out of thousands and thousands of gas masks. Least you can do is hold your breath for a very long time, in solidarity.

See, atleast I know your kidding.

[The_Kincardine]

1 minute ago, williemillersmoustache said:

I'm not simply offering my opinion in this instance, which is why all the wild hyperbole, ad hominem shite and dismissal of the SC's opinion and the quoted commentators is (and I think you're going to like this one) supervacuus.

Oooft...hit the outside of the post with that yin.  supervacuous would have caught the keeper napping.

[Blue92]

A bit of shame and/or contrition might be nice.

No need to, sadly I only earn a modest living, so I pay my PAYE/NI and live my life with sporting integrity at heart.

[Swordfishtrombone]

Given my reading of Private Eye's rotten boroughs the tax money would never have gone anywhere near essential services it would have went to paying off corrupt local councillors.

[The OP]

Soldiers should be paid footballer's wages. Mainly Barry Ferguson's, Nacho Novo's, Federico Nieto's and Egil Ostenstad's.

[williemillersmoustache]

1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:

Oooft...hit the outside of the post with that yin.  supervacuous would have caught the keeper napping.

ooooooft indeed.

supervacuus, supervacua, supervacuum

#1

adjective

Definitions:

superfluous, redundant, more than needed

unnecessary, pointless, purposeless



 

[The_Kincardine]

6 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

ooooooft indeed.

supervacuus, supervacua, supervacuum

Don't be silly.  We all know that the adjective from 'vacuum' is 'vacuous'.

Edited July 7, 2017 by The_Kincardine

[Blue92]

ooooooft indeed.

supervacuus, supervacua, supervacuum
#1
adjective
Definitions:
superfluous, redundant, more than needed
unnecessary, pointless, purposeless



 

Good description of Aberdeen FC.... and before you no doubt start slating my 5 year old club, it was a joke.[emoji4]

[williemillersmoustache]

5 minutes ago, Blue92 said:

Good description of Aberdeen FC.... and before you no doubt start slating my 5 year old club, it was a joke.

And a great joke it was too. 

[hellbhoy]

4 hours ago, Blue92 said:

If I take your points on board, what makes you think the SFA will act differently now? Surely they have lost all credibility? So my question still stands.
 

Honestly, this was dead and buried years ago. They according to them they had acted within the rules in the rulebooks they created back in season 2011/2012. The they tried to f**k us all over with a sham SPL commission which they HIRED, that's right hired a Law Lord "LNS" to chair as an adjudicator not a legal judge in an investigation supposedly impartial to the outcome.

They sort of conned a lot of people with some carefully crafted spin, "law lord", "laws of the game", "acted within" and blah blah. Why hire a law lord to chair an investigation into whether or not a fucking football club of all things had broken and breached their rules in their competitions? especially if the outcome had already been written into the associations rulebooks just before Rangers FC est1872 went into liquidation? The previous years rules and regulations of both associations handbooks had an insolvency law that ended clubs at the moment they entered the liquidation procedure just like Gretna. Gretna's circumstances were no different than Rangers, just the laws of the game had been changed just in time before Rangers went into liquidation.

[hellbhoy]

1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

ILNS's censure dealt adequately with our administrative shortcomings and administration dealt adequately with our fiscal imprudence.  Anything further is just giving in to the pitch-fork-wielders and bowing to mob rule.

Firstly? that was five smilies in a rows worth^^^^^

Having removed the stick up your arse content I want to focus on the quote above. Bare bones layout, the commission was supposed to be firstly dealt within house at the SPL's offices to investigate the charges against Rangers whether or not their players were properly registered, do you actually remember this through all the haze?

Rangers fans cried "Kangaroo court" because they were certain the SPL were going to strip Rangers of 5 titles and the P&D's were probably mostly on the fence hoping they did get stripped of them titles. Amongst the animosity mostly from the Rangers support at just about certain there was going to be a title stripping party they decided to hire Lord Nimmo Smith.

This is where it starts to get hazy. From dealing with this in-house we have gone to HIRING a law lord to impartially adjudicate whether or not the associations according to their associations rulebooks "which they made by the way" if players Rangers had signed and that had taken EBT payments were improperly registered. That's it in a nutshell ffs.

Now if you know you have to at some point you have to deal with title stripping as the associations knew they would have to do, and if they had used the previous years rules & regulations they would have stripped Rangers FC of 5 titles with them. So!, why not create a new set of rules & regulations to protect the clubs titles and circumvent a way to deal with the EBT problem that will arise at some point which was in the public domain as far back as 2009.

There were radical and at times confusing changes to the associations rulebooks from season 2010/2011 to season 2011/2012 especially in their insolvency rules. The previous rules & regulations would have ended Rangers FC est1872 dead as a dodo on June 14th 2012, but the latter rules & regulations protected the association members ie their clubs as defined in their rulebooks aKa "AS IN COMMON-SPEECH" it is known from going financially bust and anyone who buys the clubs assets has the right to lay claim the the SFA's licence given to Rangers FC when they had become an SFA member.

The simple truth is better than the complicated argument sometimes.

[scottxs]

Brilliant read from 5 years ago. Good for a chuckle



craig burley's article in 1 of the sunday papers.. this man is beyond stupid.
read it if you dare.

"Has it really come to this? The future of Scottish football placed in the hands of a few nonentities from the lower divisions.

Muppets in charge of clubs that draw embarrassing crowds of 200 people suddenly standing as judge and jury over a decision that could cost the country millions of pounds in lost revenue.

Chairmen of part-time teams who are nothing more than afterthoughts in the psyche of our national obsession, yet suddenly they have been handed the most important decision in the history of Scottish football.

Does the SFL do the sensible thing and accept the Rangers newco into the First Division or cut off their nose to spite everyone else’s face by condemning them to starting again from the Third Division?

That they even have to think twice about this decision chills me to the core because it’s a clear sign that the knuckle-draggers – always the ones who make the most noise – have succeeded in making their voice heard.

And I’m not just talking about supporters, there are plenty of backward idiots in board rooms too and their petty witch hunt dressed up as “sporting integrity” could cost us all.

What price your integrity if there’s no sport left after you’ve slaughtered its biggest cash cow? Those opposing Rangers being parachuted into the First Division cannot see the wood for the trees.

I’ve heard comments from clubs like Cowdenbeath, Peterhead insisting they must start from scratch in the Third – who are these people and how are they qualified to make a decision that will affect clubs 10 times their size?

Let’s be honest here, if their clubs were to go missing nobody would bat an eyelid but if they abuse their newfound power to banish Rangers then the whole game is gone. It is THAT serious because without the revenue they generate through TV deals and travelling supporters, many other clubs will shut.

I know SFA chief executive Stewart Regan was criticised for warning that Scottish football faces a slow painful death if the Ibrox club are tossed to the bottom, but I agree. There is no point telling people everything’s hunky dory when it is clearly not.

People must wake up to Regan’s alarming message before it’s too late. Most of all the SPL because the time is now to take decisive action. You may have read Raith Rovers’ vice chairman Turnbull Hutton accusing the SPL of bullying and railroading the lower league clubs to vote Rangers into the First.

There’s long been veiled threats to set up a breakaway SPL 2, including Rangers, if the top flight don’t get what they want, leaving those who defy them well and truly out in the cold.

Well my feeling is why rely on a veiled threat when you can turn it into a concrete promise that can be used as a foundation to rebuild our game on a more stable platform?

Just do it, guys.

This is the time where SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster must stand strong and make the big decisions and grab the power back for the big clubs who know how to handle it.

Start the breakaway now, give us a fresh product of two top divisions with promotion and relegation play-offs and sell the package to Sky and ESPN as a fresh exciting new dawn for our game.

TV will buy into it, fans will be re-energised and hopefully start clicking through the turnstiles again.

Hey, maybe even the punters who blackmailed their clubs to vote Rangers out of the SPL in the first place might actually start attending games – because I don’t believe for a second that they were all loyal season ticket holders.

You just need to look at Dunfermline closing a stand last season and matches at Pittodrie resembling a closed-doors friendly any time the Old Firm weren’t visiting as evidence that these fans who protested so loudly must now put their money where their mouths are.

So what of the rest you may ask. What about the clubs left behind by the new set-up?

No doubt some of them will fold while others continue plodding along as they are just now – part-time community clubs with very little relevance beyond the borders of their town. It might sound brutal but there are too many teams in our senior game who are going nowhere.

So better to trim the dead wood than give them the power to kill off one of the two clubs that matters most. In short, it’s better them than Rangers when it comes down to a stark choice of who should go.

I can almost hear the outraged screams from Forfar to Annan already but hard nosed as it sounds the alternative, which is football Armageddon, is too much for the rest of us to bear.

Maybe the Neanderthals who are only interested in revenge and petty points scoring after decades of Old Firm dominance will stop and think about the consequences before they call for more punishment.

The time has come to end this sorry episode and start fresh with a positive new beginning for all of Scottish football.

We can’t stand by and allow small clubs with their ridiculous tiny supports to gather on Friday the 13th and chase millions of pounds out of our game.

The time for action has come and Doncaster and his SPL member clubs cannot afford to hesitate a moment longer."

[flyingrodent]

This is some hilarious irony, right here. The Rangers fans' idiotic insistence that the Oldco didn't benefit from multi-million pound cheating is actually taking most of the heat off Dave King for the Newco's financially catastrophic European exit. 

That is, their desperation to retain the trophies they scammed in the past is actively helping to prevent them from winning any competitions in the future.  

it's Darwinism in action, right here on the football forum.

Edited July 8, 2017 by flyingrodent

[bennett]

6 hours ago, hellbhoy said:

Honestly, this was dead and buried years ago. They according to them they had acted within the rules in the rulebooks they created back in season 2011/2012. The they tried to f**k us all over with a sham SPL commission which they HIRED, that's right hired a Law Lord "LNS" to chair as an adjudicator not a legal judge in an investigation supposedly impartial to the outcome.

They sort of conned a lot of people with some carefully crafted spin, "law lord", "laws of the game", "acted within" and blah blah. Why hire a law lord to chair an investigation into whether or not a fucking football club of all things had broken and breached their rules in their competitions? especially if the outcome had already been written into the associations rulebooks just before Rangers FC est1872 went into liquidation? The previous years rules and regulations of both associations handbooks had an insolvency law that ended clubs at the moment they entered the liquidation procedure just like Gretna. Gretna's circumstances were no different than Rangers, just the laws of the game had been changed just in time before Rangers went into liquidation.

 

Celti....   The spls low level gatherer of paper misunderstood the SPLs rulebook (LNS statement) The rules did not allow titles to be stripped as the players were correctly registered (SFAs Sandy Bryson).

Howling at the moon won't change that my learned friend.

 

6 hours ago, hellbhoy said:

Firstly? that was five smilies in a rows worth^^^^^

Having removed the stick up your arse content I want to focus on the quote above. Bare bones layout, the commission was supposed to be firstly dealt within house at the SPL's offices to investigate the charges against Rangers whether or not their players were properly registered, do you actually remember this through all the haze?

Rangers fans cried "Kangaroo court" because they were certain the SPL were going to strip Rangers of 5 titles and the P&D's were probably mostly on the fence hoping they did get stripped of them titles. Amongst the animosity mostly from the Rangers support at just about certain there was going to be a title stripping party they decided to hire Lord Nimmo Smith.

This is where it starts to get hazy. From dealing with this in-house we have gone to HIRING a law lord to impartially adjudicate whether or not the associations according to their associations rulebooks "which they made by the way" if players Rangers had signed and that had taken EBT payments were improperly registered. That's it in a nutshell ffs.

Now if you know you have to at some point you have to deal with title stripping as the associations knew they would have to do, and if they had used the previous years rules & regulations they would have stripped Rangers FC of 5 titles with them. So!, why not create a new set of rules & regulations to protect the clubs titles and circumvent a way to deal with the EBT problem that will arise at some point which was in the public domain as far back as 2009.

There were radical and at times confusing changes to the associations rulebooks from season 2010/2011 to season 2011/2012 especially in their insolvency rules. The previous rules & regulations would have ended Rangers FC est1872 dead as a dodo on June 14th 2012, but the latter rules & regulations protected the association members ie their clubs as defined in their rulebooks aKa "AS IN COMMON-SPEECH" it is known from going financially bust and anyone who buys the clubs assets has the right to lay claim the the SFA's licence given to Rangers FC when they had become an SFA member.

The simple truth is better than the complicated argument sometimes.

The QC raging with the impartiality of a top law lord yet he had no qualms about the SPL using celtics lawyer to 'prosecute' the case...

Ebt's were in the accounts every season, not just from 2009 my learned friend, can't you get anything right?

As for his tinfoil hat nonsense about rule changes 

 

[MikeyWellFan]

King certainly has changed his tune since 2012

In the story, published before the initial verdict on the big tax case, King admitted that if Rangers lost then the club would have “probably gained some competitive
advantage” and would owe the “Scottish footballing public an apology”.

[Monkey Tennis]

1 hour ago, bennett said:

 

The rules did not allow titles to be stripped as the players were correctly registered (SFAs Sandy Bryson).

...

Ebt's were in the accounts every season, not just from 2009 my learned friend, can't you get anything right?

 

No Bennett, that's not right.  The players were not correctly registered, hence the record fine.  However, their eligibility could not be retrospectively declared invalid apparently.  That's an important distinction.

EBTs were indeed mentioned in each year's accounts.  However, accurate information regarding remuneration for players, was deliberately withheld.  That's why there are question marks regarding player registration.

Stop distorting the relevant information.

[bennett]

20 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

No Bennett, that's not right.  The players were not correctly registered, hence the record fine.  However, their eligibility could not be retrospectively declared invalid apparently.  That's an important distinction.

EBTs were indeed mentioned in each year's accounts.  However, accurate information regarding remuneration for players, was deliberately withheld.  That's why there are question marks regarding player registration.

Stop distorting the relevant information.

Once registered with the SFA the players remained registered until they left the club, the registrations were valid (even with errors). The SPl appointed lawyer failed to grasp that fact, thankfully William Nimmo Smith knew his business.

 

Seperate issue in correcting our learned friends basic ebt error. There are no question marks regarding players registrations, LNS cleared that nonsense up for us.