DomDom Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 The difference for me is - fair enough for some cheating in a majorly important game to get a result but against Macclesfield, when you are Liverpool and ahead. Meh, it just seems a bit pointless to me. Liverpool should have won the game comfortably regardless. It's just cheating for the sake of it. The game was far from dead at that point. Also, it's not like Liverpool don't have a history of fucking things up against smaller sides. What's also been missed is that it was a split second between the ball hitting the keeper and coming off of the hand of Suarez which, btw, was already in the air. It's one thing to say "his instinct should be to tell the ref" which is naive in itself, but the hand was up, the ball was going to it, and he used it. Big deal. Also the stuff about the celebration is even worse. At least the handball is debateable as to how deliberate and how bad it actually was. The celebration was just his celebration. And the commentator was acting like it was a special one because it was a handball. Thankfully the post-match analysis from all involved wasn't as stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 What's also been missed is that it was a split second between the ball hitting the keeper and coming off of the hand of Suarez which, btw, was already in the air. It's one thing to say "his instinct should be to tell the ref" which is naive in itself, but the hand was up, the ball was going to it, and he used it. Big deal. So, you agree, he cheated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Em, I believe it's called "sportsmanship"? just like players claiming for a throw in that they know came off them last, or going down wanting a foul even though they know the tackle was clean also, why you felt the need to mention ibrox when replying to a celtic fan is beyond me, some people just cant forget about rangers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 So, you agree, he cheated. He did. How conscious a decision this was remains debateable though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Lots of players would have done what Suarez did. As far as I'm concerned, he's being slated for this because of who he is. He won the game for his team, which is the important thing given that's what he's paid a ridiculous amount of money to do. Henry was slated for his handball against Ireland and people in general held him in regard so I don't think it's the case that this is solely about who he is at all, though admittedly it doesn't help that it was him. It's more to do with the fact that this was against a conference team to whom all the odds were stacked against anyway. Liverpool should have won easily enough without needing to cheat. Most football fans can identify with the 'big team getting the benefit of wrong decisions' scenario. It also doesn't help that people try and justify it as ok - the ends don't always justify the means. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 just like players claiming for a throw in that they know came off them last, or going down wanting a foul even though they know the tackle was clean also, why you felt the need to mention ibrox when replying to a celtic fan is beyond me, some people just cant forget about rangers Dinna flatter yersef. Just years of completely unbiased refereeing experiences of said cesspit seemed like the best example to quote, ken? Also didna know post I replied to was a cellik supporter, because Ireally don't give a flying furk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 He didn't think it would stand FFS, look at the way he put the in the net. I expect a huge debate on Talkshite tomorrow about goal line technology and using the 4th official for more than substitutions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 How did you feel when Thierry Henry robbed your country of a World Cup place? Well, when I say your country, I mean the country you pretend to be and wish you are from. Mmmmmm!?! You seem to be a bit of a zoomer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 It's more to do with the fact that this was against a conference team to whom all the odds were stacked against anyway. Liverpool should have won easily enough without needing to cheat. Most football fans can identify with the 'big team getting the benefit of wrong decisions' scenario Again though, how conscious a decision this was from Suarez is debateable. The analysis post-match rightly showed his reaction before the ball even crossed the line. He knew he'd done something stupid and knew a free kick would be given. So the occaision didn't really matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Again though, how conscious a decision this was from Suarez is debateable. The analysis post-match rightly showed his reaction before the ball even crossed the line. He knew he'd done something stupid and knew a free kick would be given. So the occaision didn't really matter. I think it matters to the people who are slating him, more than who he is, it's more who they are cheating. I'm sorry but I don't believe for a second that it wasn't deliberate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I'm sorry but I don't believe for a second that it wasn't deliberate. It was deliberate for sure. It was a stupid split second decision which he knew right away was a stupid decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 He didn't think it would stand FFS, look at the way he put the in the net. Exactly. He casually puts the ball in the net and turns round towards the ref with a look of disappointment that the ball hit his hand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 (edited) Everyone wins here: P&B gets a chance to get angry about Liverpool and how they're shite and had to resort to cheating to beat Mansfield. The press and pundits get another opportunity to moan about Suarez. Mansfield fans can say they were cheated and are unlucky not to be going to Anfield for a replay. As for the game itself, Liverpool should have won more comfortably than they did. Note that the press conferences at the end didn't exactly produce angry, controversial reactions either. We can stand here and debate the merits of Suarez's previous deliberate handballs and whether or not this was one of them all we like, but the fact is this - the referee and his assistant didn't spot it, the buck rests with them. Edited January 6, 2013 by Michael W 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBairn1876 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I do agree what Suarez did was wrong, no doubting that, but the media freaking out about him kissing his wrist afterwards is quite amusing. Don't know if you've noticed but he does that after just about EVERY GOAL HE SCORES!!! But no, it is rather embarrassing that it essentially took a handball to put a non-league team out the FA Cup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 So Liverpool need to cheat to beat Mansfield? Hahahhahahahahahahahhhahahahahhhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhaha Sad, so sad Is this what you believe? You don't go to many football games do you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 He didn't think it would stand FFS, look at the way he put the in the net. I expect a huge debate on Talkshite tomorrow about goal line technology and using the 4th official for more than substitutions. Already on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 We can stand here and debate the merits of Suarez's previous deliberate handballs and whether or not this was one of them all we like, but the fact is this - the referee and his assistant didn't spot it, the buck rests with them. It's an interesting hypothesis that players are well within their rights to rampantly cheat but the referees are the ones who get hammered for not noticing it. Scum, eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MariusZaliukas Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Did he not kiss his hand before his wrist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 c**t of a man but he is some player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Where do we draw the line when it comes to branding a player a "cheat"? If a player knows he was offside for the goal he scored but doesn't own up, is he a cheat? If a player doesn't own up to committing a foul in the box that wasn't penalised, is he a cheat? And indeed, at what point should a player own-up to handball? You could end up having someone own up to a "legitimate" handball through fear of being branded a cheat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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