renton Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 What happened to Unionists saying that OF COURSE Scotland could be successful if we were independent? They're all in a muddle. If I was in the SNP, I'd be attacking furiously. Ten months out and BT are reduced to repeating themselves in ever more derogatory tones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 What happened to Unionists saying that OF COURSE Scotland could be successful if we were independent? They're all in a muddle. If I was in the SNP, I'd be attacking furiously. They love reminding everyone how they are "proud" or "patriotic" Scots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Danny Alexander this morning: Too wee, too poor, too stupid. What happened to the positive case for the Union? “I think the IFS report is very credible, the IFS is one of the most respected think-tanks in the country… I think it does have a lot of credibility. They’ve looked at all the possible scenarios and what they actually find is even the best case they can construct fiscally for an independent Scotland is worse than the worst case they can construct for the UK over the same time horizon. And that bears out what we’ve been arguing. I think that Scotland leaving the UK would be pretty catastrophic economically for Scotland… I’m making that argument as someone who’s a proud and patriotic Scot.” Danny Alexander 2010: "The IFS “does not look at the totality of our decisions”, he says, citing the Lib Dems’ flagship policy, the £2.5billion pupil premium. But the IFS says most schoolchildren will actually be worse off as a result of the review. “I just don’t agree with that analysis. They’ve got that wrong.” Schools, he adds, have “got a very, very good settlement”. Not so respected after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I wonder what Alistair Darling thinks of the OBR? You know, the predictions that this IFS relies on? Speaking to the Financial Times in 2010 Mr Darling, who heads the anti-independence alliance Better Together, claimed the OBR had been politicised. "Right from the start the Tories used the OBR not just as part of the government but as part of the Conservative Party. They have succeeded in strangling what could have been a good idea at its birth." http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-economy/7737-latest-no-campaign-scare-ridiculed-as-it-emerges-darling-questioned-obr-credibility But we're now supposed to trust it without question. I wonder if Barrysnotter agrees with 2010 Darling, or 2013 Darling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Better Together are desperate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Better picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The Unionists seem to be genuinely shitting themselves over the publication of the White Paper next week. Don't think so,they will be keen to address the fantasies put forward by Salmond.Once that is done the SNPcan also wave the white flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 So there we have it, the new nationalist reasoning seems to be stuff the future, live for today. How very incompetent. Do you really think both the Scottish government will run things in the exact same manner as right now for the next 50 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Simple, understandable, irrefutable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Better Together have already deleted that picture from their twitter page. It's a great example at the straw clutching they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Simple, understandable, irrefutable Yes,those three words do lend themselves nicely to the majority of what Scots want and that is they want to remain part of the United Kingdom family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Imagine the chat in the IFS office. "OK guys we're going to run some projections on how Scotland's economy might perform if they split from the UK. Anyone got any initial thoughts?" "We could calculate the debt repayments on an interest rate worse that Bulgaria gets..." "We could ignore the uplift in GDP from corporation tax and VAT on Scottish spending that's calculated elsewhere..." "We could use the OBR figures for oil price projections that are the lowest by far of any published projections..." "We can include demographic projections that assume the population will continue to be jobless and will grow old quicker than the UK..." "We can compare Scotland to the UK, not Scotland to the rUk when the oil and whisky exports are stripped out..." "Let me just check Mr Darling's brief.... Yep, that all sounds fine, crack on!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Yes,those three words do lend themselves nicely to the majority of what Scots want and that is they want to remain part of the United Kingdom family. Meh, they can keep the "simple" one if they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Salmond responds to the expert financial warnings in his usual fantastical piss style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Danny Alexander this morning: Too wee, too poor, too stupid. What happened to the positive case for the Union? “I think the IFS report is very credible, the IFS is one of the most respected think-tanks in the country… I think it does have a lot of credibility. They’ve looked at all the possible scenarios and what they actually find is even the best case they can construct fiscally for an independent Scotland is worse than the worst case they can construct for the UK over the same time horizon. And that bears out what we’ve been arguing. I think that Scotland leaving the UK would be pretty catastrophic economically for Scotland… I’m making that argument as someone who’s a proud and patriotic Scot.” If that's the sort of pish the Better Together campaign are going to peddle I'll be voting for Independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Danny Alexander this morning: Too wee, too poor, too stupid. What happened to the positive case for the Union? “I think the IFS report is very credible, the IFS is one of the most respected think-tanks in the country… I think it does have a lot of credibility. They’ve looked at all the possible scenarios and what they actually find is even the best case they can construct fiscally for an independent Scotland is worse than the worst case they can construct for the UK over the same time horizon. And that bears out what we’ve been arguing. I think that Scotland leaving the UK would be pretty catastrophic economically for Scotland… I’m making that argument as someone who’s a proud and patriotic Scot.” Good honest expert advice,just what the Scottish people need to help them make their minds up concerning the referendum vote. The majority already know full well they will be voting for the Union,the 'don't knows' will soon enough realise Salmond is no more than an anti English liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Better Together have already deleted that picture from their twitter page. It's a great example at the straw clutching they do. Have a look at this Twitter chat between journalist Mandy Rhodes and Rob Shorthouse, the Director of Communications at Better Together. Maybe explains why they pulled the graphic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2013/11/16/unionism-and-the-english-language/ Absolute belter of an article, really nails what a lot of Yes supporters have been trying to articulate about better Together and it's lack of positive case, and why that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Guardian editorial. Headline: Scottish independence: counting the cost First sentence: The IFS has constructed an enviable reputation for objectivity. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/18/scottish-independence-counting-the-cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullywee Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 That's Sigur Rós and Frightened Rabbit backed the independence campaign in the last few days. SCENES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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