barrysnotter Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 That's Sigur Rós and Frightened Rabbit backed the independence campaign in the last few days. SCENES. Game changer there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 And yet, still Barry won't answer why he thinks that living in a country with a lower overall tax rate, i.e. less taxes to pay, is a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Aye nearly as much as claiming that the United Kingdom can play the long-term fiscal responsibility card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullywee Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Game changer there. It really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Guardian editorial. Headline: Scottish independence: counting the cost First sentence: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/18/scottish-independence-counting-the-cost That's the 2013 Guardian, silly. The Guardian 2008 model was a bit more sceptical. "Whatever the motive, the IFS's claim to be unbiased appears to me shaky." http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/19/tax.taxandspending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 That's the 2013 Guardian, silly. The Guardian 2008 model was a bit more sceptical. "Whatever the motive, the IFS's claim to be unbiased appears to me shaky." http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/19/tax.taxandspending I presumed when approaching the material that I would find reports whose objectivity accorded with the IFS aspiration to be "seen to be free of bias". I have been profoundly disappointed. Oopsy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Haha! Shove your independence up your arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Have a look at this Twitter chat between journalist Mandy Rhodes and Rob Shorthouse, the Director of Communications at Better Together. Maybe explains why they pulled the graphic. Good grief! That's just utterly bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Danny Alexander this morning: Too wee, too poor, too stupid. What happened to the positive case for the Union? “I think the IFS report is very credible, the IFS is one of the most respected think-tanks in the country… I think it does have a lot of credibility. They’ve looked at all the possible scenarios and what they actually find is even the best case they can construct fiscally for an independent Scotland is worse than the worst case they can construct for the UK over the same time horizon. And that bears out what we’ve been arguing. I think that Scotland leaving the UK would be pretty catastrophic economically for Scotland… I’m making that argument as someone who’s a proud and patriotic Scot.” Can someone give me a quick reminder, what political party does this "Danny Alexander" belong to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Anyway, having nearly puked up reading the supposedly left wing, liberal Guardian's editorial on the matter, the Scottish government's paper on the eocnomy and industrial strategy can be found here, no doubt to be ignored by a blanket love in of the IFS by Labour, the Tories, the Lib Dems and the Guardian, unitl such a time as they say something any of those parties disagree with. http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/Independence-to-transform-Scotland-s-economy-651.aspx#downloads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/ifs-is-out-of-touch-with-the-reality-of-an-independent-scotland/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I also see that BBC hav eopened up their Scottish political aritcles to comments. That's very depsressing reading. For both sides of the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Poll results from the independence debate held on Monday 18th November at Strathclyde Uni Before Debate Yes 56.5% No 25.8% Undecided 17.7% After Debate Yes 60.6% No 24.2% Undecided 15.2% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 Sorry - what graphic did they pull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I also see that BBC hav eopened up their Scottish political aritcles to comments. Must have had a bit of pressure from the BBC trust, I understand there are a few ongoing complaints there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Sorry - what graphic did they pull? Might be this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Might be this one. I do love how unionists seem to forget anything funded by the UK also means it's part funded by us, since you know we pay into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I also see that BBC hav eopened up their Scottish political aritcles to comments. That's very depsressing reading. For both sides of the debate. Just in the last few minutes: An independent Scotland could end up like the Republic of Ireland a mess, and its main export could become the people of Scotland who could end up living in a sinking ship with big job loses.The remaining UK will not by Scottish ships more likely American ship builders or Barrow submarine builders getting UK investment. If oil and gas is found in the Falkland islands Scotland will get nothing. Bitterness. there are many questions that need answering for a start would I have to send all my scots workers home ? demand a work permit ? ask if they are a member of the EU and so employ them the same as the polish workers ? .I think it will be best to sack all of them and employ only English workers there is less paperwork . Stupidity. This all sounds very good to me ... all we need to do is extend HS2 as far up as Adrian's wall ... put a nice sign in Dover welcoming those leaving the Eurozone to Scotland as the land of jobs a plenty and let the high speed train do the rest. I really don't think Salmon has thought this through .... Racism. Reading these comments is depressing. This debate is now not really going to end well either way. The SNP and this debate are now causing real division - a "them and us" mentality. We are all going to get swept up in comparing who can put one over on the other or who has it better..not what neighbours should be doing, and lets face it thats what we will be after isnt it! Its all the SNP's fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Bojangles Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Forecasting is exactly what economists do incompetently. The IFS report uses figures from the OBR who have yet to get practically anything right on the economy. http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/oct/16/obr-poor-forecasting-record-office-budget-responsibility If you think anyone could guess what today's economy would be like back in 1963 you need your head examined. I think they would have had a pretty good guess. The economy of Edinburgh is pretty similar to what they envisaged in the 60s. They were planning a inner city ring road in Edinburgh in the 60s which would have cut through the Meadows, turned Tollcross into a massive six or seven lane roundabout with a few buildings in the middle of it and a good chunk of the Royal Mile would have been demolished because it was too old (Yuck! Who want's old stuff?). It didn't fail because of public outcry, but because they didn't have enough money to get started. They weren't that far off, were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I think they would have had a pretty good guess. The economy of Edinburgh is pretty similar to what they envisaged in the 60s. They were planning a inner city ring road in Edinburgh in the 60s which would have cut through the Meadows, turned Tollcross into a massive six or seven lane roundabout with a few buildings in the middle of it and a good chunk of the Royal Mile would have been demolished because it was too old (Yuck! Who want's old stuff?). It didn't fail because of public outcry, but because they didn't have enough money to get started. They weren't that far off, were they? Uh-huh...and the economy? Would they have forseen the oil? The mass unemployment? Computers...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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