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2 hours ago, Aladdin said:

It should be regulated, taxed and sold in licensed shops. Label the cbd/thc ratios of strains clearly and accurately with no sales to u18s.

 

That's the plan here in Canada.  Each province will be responsible for determining how distribution will be handled but the idea is that it will be taxed and regulated.  As someone who partook in his teenage years I can tell you weed dealers never asked for ID but the corner shop did when trying to get beer! 

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There was a guy sat next to me on the subway today who was fucking reeking of it, so since I've just been remembered how awful the smell is, get it to f**k.


I don’t smoke it but I love the smell of it. There are far worse smells that you can get on a subway anyway!
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The only reason this would be getting looked at to be legalised is that its another way of raising taxes from the poorer in society, who are going to be the most likely to smoke it regularly.

We also need to take into account the mental health conditions like paranoia, depression etc that come with taking cannabis as well as the conditions that are associated with smoking. 

I am all for making availible to treat current conditions, however I am not for legalising it for all.

 

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11 minutes ago, throbber said:

 

 


I don’t smoke it but I love the smell of it. There are far worse smells that you can get on a subway anyway!

 

The smell seriously makes me ill, and of the various smells of things that people consume it seems to stick around for much longer.

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1 hour ago, senorsoupe said:

That's the plan here in Canada.  Each province will be responsible for determining how distribution will be handled but the idea is that it will be taxed and regulated.  As someone who partook in his teenage years I can tell you weed dealers never asked for ID but the corner shop did when trying to get beer! 

So you didn't grow up in Ontario? 

For years on April 20th they have had the Weed March here called for the legalisation of Cannabis, this year they marched because the Ontario government wants to regulate and control the sale of it, the same as they do with the sale of alcohol. No pleasing some people. I also don't mind the smell of it, my missus smokes it on our balcony almost every day. But I really don't want to be on the subway at 8 am with someone reeking of it, much the same as someone reeking of booze or fags

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Just now, Torpar said:

So you didn't grow up in Ontario? 

For years on April 20th they have had the Weed March here called for the legalisation of Cannabis, this year they marched because the Ontario government wants to regulate and control the sale of it, the same as they do with the sale of alcohol. No pleasing some people. I also don't mind the smell of it, my missus smokes it on our balcony almost every day. But I really don't want to be on the subway at 8 am with someone reeking of it, much the same as someone reeking of booze or fags

No, I grew up in Quebec!  I have to remember not to call it the Depanneur when speaking to people who aren't from Quebec lol

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It’s a very nuanced argument, from both sides.
Yes, there are risks to allowing legality (possible increased accessibility for people who wouldn’t have the desire to seek out a dealer, or are scared of breaking the law), for me, the risks associated with illegality are far greater. No control of strength, possible gateway to harder drugs etc.
I’ve not smoked it for around 20 years, other than a couple of slip ups when trying to ease the come down from class A’s.
Overall, I’d like it to be regulated and taxed and available to a wider section of the population as I’m part owner of a 24hr garage & have shares in Dorito & Cadbury.

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3 hours ago, The Moonster said:

Society is here to protect people but if you want to smoke weed then go and find yourself a criminal dealer and buy some weed of a random strength and quantity? You can't protect people from weed if you have no control over it. Doesn't education have a part to play here too?

Drug abuse such as alcohol abuse?  Good point. Remind me, what is we do with alcohol in this country? Regulate it, tax it and sell it to those who are happy to drink responsibly, whilst having laws for those who drink irresponsibly? 

Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and it doesn't work for weed. If you want to keep weed illegal then you've got to accept that alcohol and tobacco should also be illegal. 

I just think the greater good is that it keeps an illegal stigma which deters a number of kids.

How many?  Who knows.  I would be willing to change my view if the pro-legal lobby put much evidence and seemed to care much about that aspect.

Until i see evidence otherwise, I would rather gain the above than protect the person who knowingly buys illegal substances.

 

re. alcohol.  Yeah, i don't disagree but you can't win all the battles.  Society decides what it's willing to accept.  if we have alcohol why not cannibas.  

Listen i've taken drugs, mdma, marijuana etc.  But i think the stigma is important.  I have never bought any of these things myself but only via a trusted friend.  I like that there isn't a shop i can just buy from easily which leads to the point above.  That's just the personal.

 

in my parent's city, barcelona you can become a member of a marijuana club.  It does work in some ways; but i've seen plenty people get enveloped by it.  

I'm not a zealot on this but this is my view.

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33 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

The only reason this would be getting looked at to be legalised is that its another way of raising taxes from the poorer in society, who are going to be the most likely to smoke it regularly.

We also need to take into account the mental health conditions like paranoia, depression etc that come with taking cannabis as well as the conditions that are associated with smoking. 

I am all for making availible to treat current conditions, however I am not for legalising it for all.

 

The taxes raised from legal weed would cover the cost of that treatment and more.

3 minutes ago, tirso said:

I just think the greater good is that it keeps an illegal stigma which deters a number of kids.

How many?  Who knows.  I would be willing to change my view if the pro-legal lobby put much evidence and seemed to care much about that aspect.

Until i see evidence otherwise, I would rather gain the above than protect the person who knowingly buys illegal substances.

 

 

Have you looked at any available evidence from the states which have legalised it so far?

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2 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Have you looked at any available evidence from the states which have legalised it so far?

on how many children were attracted into it vs deterred previously?

No i would like to.  But more importantly i'd rather that was the basis of the decision than making current users lives easier or how much money it would raise.  Which seems to be lacking in my view.

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1 minute ago, tirso said:

on how many children were attracted into it vs deterred previously?

No i would like to.  But more importantly i'd rather that was the basis of the decision than making current users lives easier or how much money it would raise.  Which seems to be lacking in my view.

Google is your friend - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/13/heres-how-legal-pot-changed-colorado-and-washington/

4 minutes ago, tirso said:

reality:

more paranoid people

crap mental health care

more money in the big black hole

"More people paranoid" any evidence for that claim? This assumption that everyone goes straight to the weed shop as soon as it's legal is preposterous. Would you go and buy an ounce of it was legal?

"Crap mental health care" is not the fault of a plant that grows out the ground and is certainly not a reason for keeping it illegal.

"More money in a black hole" if you consider millions of pounds in taxes going to the government  ($220 million in Washington's case) a black hole then fair enough, doesn't mean it can't be used for good in the right hands.

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