Orange Walk / Scottish Cricket thread

[Baxter Parp]

Not in my experience. People should be judged as individuals, in my opinion, and stereotyping is something that is best avoided.

Pfft. If you join an anti-social group such as the BNP, EDL or LOL you lose the right to be taken as an individual.

[parsforlife]

LongTimeLurker wrote:

That made the LOL public enemy number one when they pointed out certain awkward truths on issues like education such as sending children to the same schools saves a lot of money and reduces the level of division. .

Pointing out awkward truths is one thing, supporting very similar things that "your side" are doing is where the hypocrisy and bigotry start to display themselves.

Using your example, a secular schooling system and pointing out that politions don't want it for political reasons would be a positive thing. Wanting rid of catholic schools but wanting religious observance(of a strictly prodesdent nature I'm sure) to remain in "non-Dom" schools is absolutely a negative. When one of your more positive policy's is so blatantly born out of bigotry it's easy to notice the OO are a despicable organisation.

LongTimeLurker wrote:

Not in my experience. People should be judged as individuals, in my opinion, and stereotyping is something that is best avoided.

Stereotyping should be avoided,I agree, but you can judge an individual for being a member of the OO and group them together, hell they've done that part for you. If you stand as a group, you get attacked as a group. Edited July 19, 2013 by parsforlife

[Saor Alba]

If you join an anti-social group such as the BNP, EDL or LOL you lose the right to be taken as an individual.

I agree with that to some extent. And the same goes for groups such as Nazi, Bolshevik, Zionist, extreme any-religion of your choice, ADL, JDL etc. The list of anti-social groups around the world is endless and all start small similar to "BNP, EDL or LOL" and the founders are very often of a very similar character and background.

[Audaces Fortuna Juvat]

And how does homophobia fit into this scheme of things?

[deky]

And how does homophobia fit into this scheme of things?

Haters gonna hate.

[The OP]

According to this Israeli online news article - You are yes.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

I should clarify, that I have down-voted this anti-semitic waffle because these men's Jewishness is incidental to their crimes.

You have down-voted my two most recent posts presumably because I down-voted this and a similarly anti-semitic post. Very mature stuff.

[Saor Alba]

I should clarify, that I have down-voted this anti-semitic waffle because these men's Jewishness is incidental to their crimes.

You have down-voted my two most recent posts presumably because I down-voted this and a similarly anti-semitic post. Very mature stuff.

There is no antisemitism at all contained within either of those two posts of mine that you are referring to that you red dotted. And there is no antisemitism in this post either. You just didn't like the truth contained within both of those posts and you will not like the truth contained within this post either. It is you who is immature not I. You are more than immature, your personal attack upon me is quite pathetic. You are a sad pathetic little man who is offended by the truth. You have already proven me to be correct upon my opinion of you, and anyone of reasonable intelligence who has read the last few posts can see just how much of a sad pathetic little man you really are.

Here is another Israeli news article for you (written by another Jewish journalist). It discusses the King David Hotel Bombing in which the terrorists (all Jewish), many who later went on to become Israeli leaders, attempted to frame Arab Muslim Semites for the dirty deed - http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/the-spirit-of-the-king-david-hotel-1.193571

You have yet to comment upon the wealthy middle-classed Karl Marx and his Bolshevik movement that were directly and indirectly responsible for the mass murder, genocide and killing of several scores of millions of people throughout Europe and the rest of the world during the 20th century (inc WW1 and WW2). And you have yet to comment upon 'the actual contents' of the Israeli news article written by an esteemed Jewish journalist that I posted earlier, therefore I don't expect you to comment upon 'the actual contents' of the article contained here in this post either. If either of the Israeli news articles written by Jewish journalists offend you, for whatever reason, I suggest that you take up your pathetic issues with both of the very experienced esteemed Jewish journalists who have written them. And you are welcome to take up your pathetic issues with the journalists who wrote those articles that are being discussed by the young man in the videos contained within this post too.

The spirit of the King David Hotel

In the 60 years since the attack at the King David Hotel, Israel has hurt some two million civilians, including 750,000 who lost their homes in 1948 and another quarter million Palestinians who were forced to leave the West Bank in the Six-Day War.

The terror attack on the King David Hotel in Jerusalem was in its day the equivalent of the Twin Towers; yesterday was its 60th anniversary. There are two historic plaques at the hotel, one of whose wings was used by the British Mandate authority. On one of the plaques, which has been hanging there for some time, a few words note the terror attack: "On July 22, 1946, the Etzel underground bombed the southern wing." The action is attributed to Etzel alone, but there is no condemnation. "Underground" generally has a positive connotation.

The unveiling of the other plaque this week was meant to cap an academic conference held at the Menachem Begin Heritage Center on the issue of who is a freedom fighter and who is a terrorist. It was quite a week to clarify such a question. They can be distinguished by organizational affiliation, goals, targets, means of combat and mode of operation. They all assume that a freedom fighter is a good person and a terrorist is a bad one. Nearly every terrorist defines himself as a freedom fighter, and vice versa: freedom fighters are usually defined as terrorists. So was Begin. He invested a lot of effort to convince history that he was not a terrorist. Among other things, he emphasized that his organization did not harm civilians. There's a thesis that could serve as an historic lesson from a moral standpoint: not harming civilians.

The new plaque identifies the perpetrators of the attack as "Etzel fighters." It's important for them to emphasize that they acted "under orders from the Hebrew rebel movement," in other words, the Hagannah, among others. They called the hotel switchboard, the editorial offices of the Palestine Post, and the French Embassy (presumably they meant the consulate) "to prevent casualties." In other words, they sought a terrorist attack without casualties, but something went wrong. Twenty-five minutes went by and then "for some reason" the British did not evacuate the building "and as a result" 91 people were "regrettably" killed. There were 28 British, 41 Arabs, 17 Jews and five others. To emphasize the military aspect of the operation, the plaque notes that one of the Etzel people was killed "in an exchange of fire."

The British government is demanding the plaque's removal. Her Majesty's ambassador and the consul have written to the mayor of Jerusalem that such an act of terror cannot be honored, even if it was preceded by a warning. To this day, it is not clear what made the bombing's planners believe the British would evacuate the building. Would Benjamin Netanyahu, as prime minister, have ordered his bureau evacuated on the basis of telephone threat from a Palestinian terror group?

Netanyahu spoke at the conference. The difference between a terrorist operation and a legitimate military action is expressed, he said, in the fact that the terrorists intend to harm civilians whereas legitimate combatants try to avoid that. According to that theory, the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier by a Palestinian organization is a legitimate military operation, and the bombing of Dresden, Hanoi, Haifa or Beirut is a war crime. Of course this is not what Netanyahu meant. He learned only this from the bombing of the hotel: that the Arabs are bad and we are good. Arab actions starting in 1920 and through the Iranian nuclear plan reflect, in his words, "a terrorist mentality." Israel, on the other hand, only harms civilians by accident or when there is no alternative. For example, when terrorists hide among civilians.

The historic truth is different: In the 60 years since the attack at the King David Hotel, Israel has hurt some two million civilians, including 750,000 who lost their homes in 1948, another quarter million Palestinians who were forced to leave the West Bank in the Six-Day War and hundreds of thousands of Egyptian civilians who were expelled from the cities along the Suez Canal during the War of Attrition. And now tens of thousands of Lebanese villagers are being forced to abandon their homes, and air force pilots are once again bombing Beirut and other cities. Hundreds of civilians have been killed. Regrettably. It's all in the spirit of the King David Hotel. One can always say there was a mishap.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/the-spirit-of-the-king-david-hotel-1.193571

[The OP]

Yeah, I'm not going to read that.

You've linked Bolshevism and Judaism because Marx happened to be a Jew in response to a post with nothing to do with religion (calling Tommy Sheridan a Bolshevik) and you've then tried to link Judaism with the crimes of Soviet Russia using an article you've presumably bookmarked.

To sum up, you're a weird bigot, and judging by the liberal anti-semitic Youtube-video-based spamming you're probably an alias of SS-ICBM.

[Saor Alba]

"The OP", you are a compulsive liar as well as a sad pathetic little man, and a bigoted one.

This is the first post that i replied to, the post that "Longtimelurker" posted in which he clearly mentions a religion (RC) several times throughout his post.

The entire thread has been discussing religion from its beginning as everyone who has been reading the thread knows.

The dictionary definition of bigotry revolves around holding a particular viewpoint to an unreasonable extent, which is something that people from a wide variety of different backgrounds can be prone to, while others from the same backgrounds are more easy going and flexible. In Scotland bigotry tends to be understood a wee bit differently as being a kind of tribal attribute characteristic of certain groups of people, who don't conform to the prevailing consensus on certain social issues which are often arrived at on the basis of what's best for the powers that be in political terms.

In Scotland that was usually the Labour party in recent decades, who badly needed the working class RC vote and made certain modifications to normal socialist principles to curry favour with what would normally be their natural ideological enemies within the RC hierarchy, as a result. The Tories were also happy to go along with this because they saw the RC church as a bulwark against schemie Bolsheviks like Tommy Sheridan and generally liked keeping the plebs socially divided.

That made the LOL public enemy number one when they pointed out certain awkward truths on issues like education such as sending children to the same schools saves a lot of money and reduces the level of division. End result is it's socially acceptable to go after Orangemen by spewing all kinds of bile and peddling very crude stereotypes to an extent that arguably fits the dictionary definition of bigotry, when in reality the LOL are by no means the only ones who are complicit in keeping the divide going from generation to generation.

My sarcastic reply to "longtimelurker" informing him of Karl Marx's background (which you would prefer to not be known).

The boys on here will be tarring and feathering you for that anti-semitic comment when they read it. Bolshevikism began as a small movement guided by the teachings of German-Jewish social philosopher Karl Marx. It grew quickly and everyone who knows history knows what came afterwards.

One of your boyfriends (if he isn't one of your aliases) responds to that post with this.

You are a cretin.

My reply to your boyfriend (if not one of your aliases).

According to this Israeli online news article - You are, yes.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Stalin's Jews

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.

Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.

In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.

Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.

All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union's archives have not yet been fully opened to the public. But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD's and KGB's service. The Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of "How could it have happened to us?" As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."

Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.

The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

I repeat what I have already posted above, I suggest that you "The OP" take up your sad pathetic issues with the experienced esteemed Jewish journalists who wrote those articles that were published in two different Israeli online news websites. And if the newspaper articles in the video's offends you for some obscure reason, you can take it up with the journalists who wrote them and newspapers that published them. You truly are a sad pathetic little man and so too are your boyfriends (if they're not your aliases) who green dot the bullshite that you and they consistently post on this forum. Goodbye.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Saor Alba

[The OP]

[ICTChris]

[The OP]

Good point, alias/boyfriend!

[The_Kincardine]

"The OP", you are a compulsive liar as well as a sad pathetic little man, and a bigoted one.

This is the first post that i replied to, the post that "Longtimelurker" posted in which he clearly mentions a religion (RC) several times throughout his post.

The entire thread has been discussing religion from its beginning as everyone who has been reading the thread knows.

My sarcastic reply to "longtimelurker" informing him of Karl Marx's background (which you would prefer to not be known).

One of your boyfriends (if he isn't one of your aliases) responds to that post with this.

My reply to your boyfriend (if not one of your aliases).

I repeat what I have already posted above, I suggest that you "The OP" take up your sad pathetic issues with the experienced esteemed Jewish journalists who wrote those articles that were published in two different Israeli online news websites. And if the newspaper articles in the video's offends you for some obscure reason, you can take it up with the journalists who wrote them and newspapers that published them. You truly are a sad pathetic little man and so too are your boyfriends (if they're not your aliases) who green dot the bullshite that you and they consistently post on this forum. Goodbye.

Honestly? Your Saor Alba alias started out as pretty decent and made some good points. However, The OP is a decent poster and for you to try and rip the pish out of him in unwarranted.

Your previous ICBM alias was banned. So should this one be.

Edited July 24, 2013 by The_Kincardine

[ballymoneyyin]

What a load of pish this thread is.

[AberdeenBud]

Roaster alert.

[ballymoneyyin]

Roaster alert.

do it here:

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/3640-new-users-please-read/page-49

[~~~]

What a load of pish this thread is.

• My Team:Rangers

Makes sense

[ForeverSinging]

This thread is absolutely tragic.

Not necessarily what's being posted but just the whole fact that something is going on where people are so heated and angry about something that really doesn't matter (with the hatred between RC's and Protestants in Northern Ireland).

Obviously much, much, much easier said than done but they all need to chill the f**k out

[The_Kincardine]

• My Team:Rangers

Makes sense

Rico, you are forgetting one simple thing: Bally is probably the most reasonable Rangers poster on P&B and just never gets involved the petty tosh like you and get I embroiled in.

Ergo your riposte, "My Team:Rangers" towards Bally is inane.

Edited July 24, 2013 by The_Kincardine

[Saor Alba]

What is wrong with each of you nitwits who are claiming that the posting of 'Israeli' news articles is "antisemitic"? Are each of you stupid or just plain insane?, maybe each of you are stupid and insane! Your inference that the posting of any of those news articles that are on very popular Israeli news websites is in any way "antisemitic" makes each of you who are doing so appear to be insanely stupid, the first two of those news articles were written by two very esteemed experienced Israeli journalists and were published on two of Israel's most popular news websites! The ten separate newspaper articles that were shown in the two videos were each published in Zionist owned newspapers. Your inference that the contents of any one of those twelve news articles is antisemitic makes you incredibly stupid. Your inference that the contents of all twelve of those news articles is "antisemitic" convinces me that each of you are definitely insanely stupid and beyond any psychiatric help.