CambieBud Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 All this shows is that there is no enthusiasm for Labour. The SNP have been in power for ever and, despite all the recent problems, real or made up, Labour are still struggling. Why would anyone who support independence vote for The Red Unionists? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 What's REFUK's stance on independence anyway? They're big on self-determination and getting it right up the oppressive foreign dictators. I hear they're totally not fascists too, so they sound great. Might look up their policies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Latest YouGov puts Labour lead at 30. https://x.com/adambienkov/status/1788465584922923243?s=46&t=VI9PBOGiArQ8qgQBk99O4w Applied across the country the Tories would be left with 13 seats, around half of which would be in Scotland. Lol and indeed lmao, on many levels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: Latest YouGov puts Labour lead at 30. https://x.com/adambienkov/status/1788465584922923243?s=46&t=VI9PBOGiArQ8qgQBk99O4w Applied across the country the Tories would be left with 13 seats, around half of which would be in Scotland. Lol and indeed lmao, on many levels. How to completely invalidate your extrapolation in one easy step FPTP really is a joke, but this would be hilarious for winding up the fascists: PLAID: 0.6%, 3 seats SNP: 3.1%, 29 seats GREEN: 7%, 2 seats LIB DEM: 9%, 44 seats REFUK: 13%, 0 seats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Who are these 18%? I get "the 1%" going Tory as the Tories give them billions in public funds. But 18? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Who are these 18%? I get "the 1%" going Tory as the Tories give them billions in public funds. But 18? I checked out of interest and the percentage of higher rate tax payers in the UK (i.e., earning over £50k) is 16% so quite close to the conservatives polling numbers. Of course there are some Labour voters who earn over this and some working class Tories, but maybe £50k is the break even point where you become better off under the tax cutting Tories. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: I checked out of interest and the percentage of higher rate tax payers in the UK (i.e., earning over £50k) is 16% so quite close to the conservatives polling numbers. Of course there are some Labour voters who earn over this and some working class Tories, but maybe £50k is the break even point where you become better off under the tax cutting Tories. Not for me. Everyone can see that everything isn't working. Every public service is fucked. The NHS waiting list is miles long, potholes everywhere, council services beyond breaking point, rivers full of jobbies...everywhere you look is decay and decline under this mob.I And what is the Tories big idea? Paying folk to live rent free in Rwanda, folk who were going there anyway. Starmer doesn't give me any special tingles, but a new Labour government will surely be better. It literally cannot be worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, scottsdad said: Not for me. Everyone can see that everything isn't working. Every public service is fucked. The NHS waiting list is miles long, potholes everywhere, council services beyond breaking point, rivers full of jobbies...everywhere you look is decay and decline under this mob.I And what is the Tories big idea? Paying folk to live rent free in Rwanda, folk who were going there anyway. Starmer doesn't give me any special tingles, but a new Labour government will surely be better. It literally cannot be worse. Not being any worse than the existing Tory government is a low bar to set; an incredibly low bar. But that’s all that Starmer is offering. To address the issues you raise will require a funding commitment that he is not promising, if anything he’s gone back on previous promises. What is required by an incoming Labour government is a radical alternative and he is offering, and will deliver, a very conservative one. If there is any potential for good from it it’s that over the next few years Labour’s failure will reignite the Independence cause that is currently at an understandably low ebb. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Given that the Tories have wrecked the UK economy over the past few years, and have ratcheted borrowing up to ridiculous levels, mostly to fund tax cuts in recent times, there is very little economic manoeuvre room for Labour to come in and spend money. The main difference is that they will borrow to invest in public services unlike the Tories, but there is still the Treasury, the Civil Service etc behind it all to pull the reigns in. Add in the impact of Brexit, and again, no government could just 'turn the spending taps on'. Blair also promised to stick to Tory spending plans for 2 years in 97, yet was able to still deliver record investment for public services over the course of 3 terms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 7 hours ago, Jedi2 said: Given that the Tories have wrecked the UK economy over the past few years, and have ratcheted borrowing up to ridiculous levels, mostly to fund tax cuts in recent times, there is very little economic manoeuvre room for Labour to come in and spend money. The main difference is that they will borrow to invest in public services unlike the Tories, but there is still the Treasury, the Civil Service etc behind it all to pull the reigns in. Add in the impact of Brexit, and again, no government could just 'turn the spending taps on'. Blair also promised to stick to Tory spending plans for 2 years in 97, yet was able to still deliver record investment for public services over the course of 3 terms. Ah! But with bringing in extreme right wingers to the party he will just continue with Tory policies. And the country is now out of recession. Hung parliament incoming. Hopegully. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 someone has extrapolated the following seat changes from that poll 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) Here’s a better thread on it all Almost every poll I’ve seen post-BHAgate has seen the Greens gain seats. Edited May 10 by ICTChris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Redfield and WIlton poll has Labour lead in Westminister 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 28 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Redfield and WIlton poll has Labour lead in Westminister Scottish voters being blind to Red Tories! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 12 hours ago, Highlandmagar said: Ah! But with bringing in extreme right wingers to the party he will just continue with Tory policies. And the country is now out of recession. Hung parliament incoming. Hopegully. As opposed to appointing an extreme right winger as your Deputy FM you mean? And a hung parliament so you can still have the Tories wrecking the place? Dearie me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Jedi2 said: As opposed to appointing an extreme right winger as your Deputy FM you mean? And a hung parliament so you can still have the Tories wrecking the place? Dearie me. No difference between Tories and Labour these days. And, regards Forbes? She is a loon ball. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 hours ago, Jedi2 said: As opposed to appointing an extreme right winger as your Deputy FM you mean? Is Doctor Jedi PhD now suggesting that Kate Forbes views are as extreme as Labour MP Natalie Elphicke? That's an interesting take. I'm sure he'll provide some evidence soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 4 hours ago, ICTChris said: Redfield and WIlton poll has Labour lead in Westminister That will be the 'Swinney bounce' then presumably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 15 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Is Doctor Jedi PhD now suggesting that Kate Forbes views are as extreme as Labour MP Natalie Elphicke? That's an interesting take. I'm sure he'll provide some evidence soon. Maybe check out: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/kate-forbes-economic-agenda-dangerous-snp-leadership-race-scotland-conservative/ Including: 'Forbes writes, the plan is for Scotland to become a “magnet for inward investment and global private capital”. (Normally a prelude to low tax, light touch regulation, strip public services and sell off assets) She was of course, a key player in the decade of austerity 'Growth Commission' plan to make deeper cuts to public services than Osbourne. Add in her views on 'social' issues and perhaps is she sounds and acts like a Tory, then.... Did she back Brexit as Natalie Elphicke (who for the record, I wouldn't have had in the Labour Party) did?..No, but if its okay to have a Deputy FM who wouldn't be out of place in the Conservative Party... Edited May 10 by Jedi2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Well, it's not at all depressing that we've arrived at "hey, we may be full of Tories, but you've got a great big predatory Tory too". At least if you want independence, you've got some kind of issue to vote for; I've no idea what non-Tory Unionists are voting for these days. I suppose the Family Party have Jeebus although, let's be honest, they don't actually like him much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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