Reynard Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Don't think so. Best let Better Together pay for it, as their polls already show more people in favour of independence than the status quo. Only the SNP paid for ones stuffed full of nationalists give reasonable results for them. Even then they still cant buy one that has them winning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Do you think the YouGov polls are impartial? Yes. Do you have evidence to the contrary? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Or nothing you feel comfortable reading more like.Like most of the happy clappy nationalists in here you are just seeking to have your own views confirmed by each other and your fundaments get puckered when you read something that dares break the groupthink consensus of the handful of posters that haunt this corner of the forum. hahaha...I'm very comfortable watching yourself and H_B flap about like two fish out of water trying to make those numbers sound like bad news for the Yes camp...what a disastrous poll that was for you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Ah good. You are back. You were about to... sigh... explain how devolution wasn't an option. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 hahaha...I'm very comfortable watching yourself and H_B flap about like two fish out of water trying to make those numbers sound like bad news for the Yes camp...what a disastrous poll that was for you I know. 30% supporting Independence. It's a disaster. Don't see how Yes can fail to win now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 hahaha...I'm very comfortable watching yourself and H_B flap about like two fish out of water trying to make those numbers sound like bad news for the Yes camp...what a disastrous poll that was for you I now realise why I called it the nat clown collective 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I know. 30% supporting Independence. It's a disaster. Don't see how Yes can fail to win now There's stupid and then there's nationalist stupid, which takes stupid to new unprecedented levels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) H_B eta Reynard Edited January 6, 2014 by vip3r 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Well, a stunning denouement. The equivalent of faeces throwing really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I doubt Viper would even be allowed a place at the table for a chimps tea party in case he gave them a showing up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 And 2 people are against Independence for every 1 that is for. Which bears out pretty much every poll on the topic not paid for by the SNP. Basically, there's a third for, a third against, and a third who want more devolution, but only one side is offering serious devolution (i.e. devolution of all mechanisms to form a new nation state). Unless Labour and the Tories offer up serious concrete offers for conceding large tracts of domestic policy (and you only have to look at YouGov's September poll to see what scots think should be under Holyrood control) before the referendum, then it's anyone's guess where that other third will land. To simply state it's 2 to 1 against is of course,the correct reading of the headline data but does nothing to bring out the actual subtelties of the situation: i.e. there isn't a snow ball's chance in hell of either of the major parties devolving the kind of powers that Scots want to see devolved, at which point, it's a quesiton of whether the devo-maxer third stick or twist. Do you think the YouGov polls are impartial? They are impartial, of course they are. So are TNS, so are Panelbase. However, all pollsters carry certain weighting regimes into their anaylsis that can dramatically alter the outcome. YouGov use Westminster weighting, Panelbase use Holyrood. It's a question of who's the most accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Jam tomorrow! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 All of it So HB is not going against the best interests of Scotland? Sure thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Scot Goes Pop on YouGov's "impartiality".http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/do-you-think-alex-salmond-should-give.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+ScotGoesPop+%28SCOT+goes+POP!%29 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 So HB is not going against the best interests of Scotland? Sure thing. Correct. The best interests of Scotland, based on that utter holocaust of a white paper, is the union. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Correct. The best interests of Scotland, based on that utter holocaust of a white paper, is the union. Why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Why? Since he hasn't read it, he doesn't know. Like he doesn't know what holocaust means. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 They are impartial, of course they are. So are TNS, so are Panelbase. However, all pollsters carry certain weighting regimes into their anaylsis that can dramatically alter the outcome. YouGov use Westminster weighting, Panelbase use Holyrood. It's a question of who's the most accurate. Mmm hmm. So why were/are the Panelbase polls the SNP don't pay for so radically different from the Panelbase poll the SNP did pay for? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) Mmm hmm. So why were/are the Panelbase polls the SNP don't pay for so radically different from the Panelbase poll the SNP did pay for? What's your point caller? It's well known that the infamous SNP payed for poll used a series of run up questions prior to asking the all important question. Both sides have used leading questions over the course to influence the outcome of the polling, the companies are impartial - that's not to suggest that the questions their clients want asked are though. It doesn't mask, however the fact that the time/panelbase polls still give narrower No leads than, say TNS, who use different weightings and polling processes. It's also fair to say that this effect also shows why thr PB polls remain basically static while there has been a much trumpeted 5 point drop in the No vote in the TNS polling, almost certainly due to the fact that their weighting oversamples Labour voters, so any small drift of Labour voters to Yes looks more dramatic than it would in the PB polls that samples more SNP Yes voters. Edited January 7, 2014 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Why? What we have now is better. Currency union without political union doesnt work either. Not worth all the upheaval for something thats going to make us considerably worse off. No thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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