Hedgecutter Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Look how chipper this fat fucker is!! It's the chipper that's done it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Sadly I think giving 16 and 17 year old's the vote could come back to bite them on the arse. I'm 17 and this will be my first vote and I'm voting yes, sadly a lot of my friends do not hold the same view as me. The same old "it's fine as it is" or they decide to believe the scaremongering of the better together campaign and don't research it to find out the facts. I think it's right that 16 and 17 year olds were given the vote regardless of how they use it. More so in a referendum like this than in any other election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelldon Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I think it's right that 16 and 17 year olds were given the vote regardless of how they use it. More so in a referendum like this than in any other election. I completely agree, I'm quite happy my generation have a say as this decision will have a greater impact on us than it will the older generation . I was just saying it could be a negative for the Yes campaign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 It's the chipper that's done it. Chippy FFS! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Some of them were total fannies but between that Big Debate thingy and the wee C4 news Youzef/Marra segment, it struck me that the 16 year olds were no less knowledgable or articulate than the people you get on any political audience participation thing. If anything they came across much better than your average old, simpleton fucker on Question Time or any of these shows. Regardless of how they vote next week, I think it's right that they can. Let's face it, young people are amongst the most undeservedly shafted in the fallout of the crash. The fact that seemingly vindictive, entitled old people hold so much power has worked against youngsters massively. A younger vote would be healthy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I completely agree, I'm quite happy my generation have a say as this decision will have a greater impact on us than it will the older generation . I was just saying it could be a negative for the Yes campaign. Not so much after last night, I feel. Remember, vote No and you won't get to vote in another election for over 5 years! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelldon Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not so much after last night, I feel. Remember, vote No and you won't get to vote in another election for over 5 years! Why would that be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Why would that be? Think about it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelldon Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Some of them were total fannies but between that Big Debate thingy and the wee C4 news Youzef/Marra segment, it struck me that the 16 year olds were no less knowledgable or articulate than the people you get on any political audience participation thing. If anything they came across much better than your average old, simpleton fucker on Question Time or any of these shows. Regardless of how they vote next week, I think it's right that they can. Let's face it, young people are amongst the most undeservedly shafted in the fallout of the crash. The fact that seemingly vindictive, entitled old people hold so much power has worked against youngsters massively. A younger vote would be healthy. It's certainly been a positive for getting younger people interested in politics, you can't help but take an interest once you know you've got a vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Some of them were total fannies but between that Big Debate thingy and the wee C4 news Youzef/Marra segment, it struck me that the 16 year olds were no less knowledgable or articulate than the people you get on any political audience participation thing. If anything they came across much better than your average old, simpleton fucker on Question Time or any of these shows. Regardless of how they vote next week, I think it's right that they can. Let's face it, young people are amongst the most undeservedly shafted in the fallout of the crash. The fact that seemingly vindictive, entitled old people hold so much power has worked against youngsters massively. A younger vote would be healthy. Aye they auld gits will be wanting these youngsters out there working to keep their pensions topped up. Would be a pity if they young yins vote NO and end up with the pensions we have now. Inflation, what's that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Latest ICM poll will be 49 Yes 51 No. Narrowing again so expect another Westminster sh1testorm just shortly !!! Edited September 12, 2014 by Billy Jean King 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I see, as predicted some months ago, the media are going to get the blame for the No vote. Anything other than accepting that the democratic process means Yes has lost as people don't want Independence. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I see, as predicted some months ago, the media are going to get the blame for the No vote. Anything other than accepting that the democratic process means Yes has lost as people don't want Independence. If the media were on our side we'd have cruised to victory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) I see, as predicted some months ago, the media are going to get the blame for the No vote. Anything other than accepting that the democratic process means Yes has lost as people don't want Independence. I don't think anyone is saying that, I think there is a general sense of relief/surprise that the Yes vote has held up after a week where Westminster has clearly pushed what it believes are the consequences of a No vote very hard, not a case of 'blaming the media' more that there has been no discernable drift away frm yes after a concentrated drive by the No campaign. Edited September 12, 2014 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I see, as predicted some months ago, the media are going to get the blame for the No vote. Anything other than accepting that the democratic process means Yes has lost as people don't want Independence. You have to admit that they have been just a tad more vocal in reporting anything that promotes the status quo as a favourable outcome. The influence of mass media in things like this cannot be understated, although with new media it is maybe a fair bit less influential than it was in the past. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Some guy tries to analyse the referendum outcome by studying the flow of 'big data'.... make of it what you will. http://blog.majesticseo.com/research/scottish-election-poll/ Edited September 12, 2014 by renton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Even my No voting mates (not many of them now) admit they media have been one sided, especially in the last fortnight. Anyway, ICM suggest 42% of 2010 Labour voters are backing Yes - that's a massive 435,000 Labour voters for Yes #indyref 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Some guy tries to analyse the referendum outcome by studying the flow of 'big data'.... make of it what you will. http://blog.majesticseo.com/research/scottish-election-poll/ Will be interesting to see how it pans out when compared to this after the event. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Even my No voting mates (not many of them now) admit they media have been one sided, especially in the last fortnight. The media wont be the reason Yes lose. Not enough people being interested in Yes will be the reason Yes loses. Yes have enjoyed massive advantages in this referendum. the ability from the start to claim the "positive" side of the issue (how much psychologically easier is it to sell and campaign on "Yes let's do it" than "No - I'd rather not") and the ability to promise a completely undelivered set of "facts" about a new Scotland they absolutely don't have to cost. Yet, even with these massive advantages Yes are losing. That says a lot about the lack of popularity for secession. Edited September 12, 2014 by H_B -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 The media wont be the reason Yes lose. Not enough people being interested in Yes will be the reason Yes loses. Yes have enjoyed massive advantages in this referendum. the ability from the start to claim the "positive" side of the issue (how much psychologically easier is it to sell and campaign on "Yes let's do it" than "No - I'd rather not") and the ability to promise a completely undelivered set of "facts" about a new Scotland they absolutely don't have to cost. Yet, even with these massive advantages Yes are losing. That says a lot about the lack of popularity for secession. The best effort yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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