Fotbawmad Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) What is jock001's take on this? Liewell planned it, and intended to make money off it by shorting the Malaysian Airlines. Edited July 17, 2014 by Fotbawmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Fucking HMRC at it again no doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev23 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Imagine the last moments of your life if you were in a plane accident. Scary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 isn't shooting down a unarmed civilian aircraft considered a war crime? Depends on the circumstances. Both the US and USSR managed it in the 80s and its not unknown for sides to shoot down their own aircraft (Italians killed their best general this way in WW2). If there was a reasonable assumption of an enemy aircraft they could get away with it (Jimmy Stewart the US actor got away with bombing Switzerland in WW2) but if it was deliberately targeted then there would be hell to pay, I don't think it would be a war crime as so far as I know the laws of war are not in operation, but it would be murder: ether first degree or accidental manslaughter depending on circumstances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Seen a video of the plane crash, and there is no mid-air explosion, which you'd expect had a missile been fired at it. It looks like it might be a legitimate crash from an on board malfunction, or there was some kind of EMP attack on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajwffc Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Is there any evidence this was actually the pro-Russian rebels beyond the Ukrainian Government saying so? They're hardly an impartial source. It's obviously a possibility, but I'd wait for some kind of independent confirmation on this.According to someone on 5live. On of the groups were claiming to have shot down a plane but deleted the claims when they found out it was a passenger jet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Putin is blaming the Ukraine military 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboMikey Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Seen a video of the plane crash, and there is no mid-air explosion, which you'd expect had a missile been fired at it. It looks like it might be a legitimate crash from an on board malfunction, or there was some kind of EMP attack on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I don't think it's considered a war crime, but maybe an act of terrorism. However, in this instance the plane flew over a war zone. So it can't be considered anything more than an act of stupidity from the pilot. 33,000 feet in the air then getting shot isn't a case of being accidently caught in crossfire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 On Autopilot at 33,000ft then one (or more) of these comes at you: Latest variant - SA-17. NATO codename 'Grizzly' Tragic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotfree Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 33000 feet, let me be the first to say, splendid shot old bean. You're a fucking idiot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 I've was on a commercial flight that flew over the Ukraine on Saturday night (although nowhere near the Russian border) If I were an American Serviceman they'd have given me a campaign medal !! Ive used that route loads im looking for a victoria cross 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Current air traffic around Eastern Ukraine: http://www.flightradar24.com/48.93,39.38/7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Imagine the last moments of your life if you were in a plane accident. Scary. Doesn't bare thinking about.........would you not pass out upon the break up of the fuselage though? Point taken in the case of the Air France plane that fell out of the sky en route from Brazil though! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 People in the Lockerbie plane were still alive - after they hit the ground. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Lockerbie+10+Years+On%3A+The+dead+girl+still+had+tufts+of+grass+in+her...-a060628228 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) People in the Lockerbie plane were still alive - after they hit the ground. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Lockerbie+10+Years+On%3A+The+dead+girl+still+had+tufts+of+grass+in+her...-a060628228 still alive or conscious? am sure it was the same with the Challenger crash. ETA: Just read your link......I always thought you would pass out through lack of oxygen/fear/shock.........pretty horrific way to go Edited July 18, 2014 by sjc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Sanctions certainly aren't doing anything. First it was South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia, then it was The Crimea and now they're arming pro Russian separatists in Donetsk. So far the West has done the square root of zero about any of this. Putin will keep pushing his luck until he's stopped. The West can either continue to let him encroach west into sovereign countries or they can stop him. Neither option is very appealing, but they'll have to pick one. I'm far from one to defend Putin, but the conflict with Georgia was started with Georgia invading Russia. From the BBC... Cheers. When/if air crash investigators confirm they did it as now looks likely, they're fucked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waspy Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 You can't really compare this with Lockerbie, large sections of the planes fuselage were still intact at Lockerbie where here there is absolutely nothing left except twisted smouldering metal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEETHING Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Seen a video of the plane crash, and there is no mid-air explosion, which you'd expect had a missile been fired at it. It looks like it might be a legitimate crash from an on board malfunction, or there was some kind of EMP attack on it. ^^^ plays too much Call of Duty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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