Bloody Edinburgh trams

[Scary Bear]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-41082700

Three lanes of Leith Walk closed and traffic diverted via Easter Road?!

Just can't stop those trams. The person that lobbies for them must be a scarecrow.

[Shandon Par]

A second hand Chinook costs about £2m and probably £1m a year to run. They could have bought a few of these to ferry folk about and drop them wherever they want instead of £1bil on trams. 

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

2 minutes ago, Shandon Par said:

A second hand Chinook costs about £2m and probably £1m a year to run. They could have bought a few of these to ferry folk about and drop them wherever they want instead of £1bil on trams. 

When was the last time one of those fucked up a cyclist?

[Shandon Par]

2 minutes ago, Zen Archer said:

When was the last time one of those fucked up a cyclist?

Nobody would need to cycle, they could just hail a big chopper.

[MEADOWXI]

FROM BBC;

The closure of three lanes on Leith Walk would begin when construction on the £165.2m project, if approved, gets under way in 2019.

A business case details extending the line by 2.8 miles (4.6km) from York Place to Newhaven.

 

Assuming they stay on budget (no laughing at the back of the class),

That is an unbelievable £11,174.24 a foot,

assume the trams to run on it are extra ???

[welshbairn]

5 minutes ago, MEADOWXI said:

FROM BBC;

The closure of three lanes on Leith Walk would begin when construction on the £165.2m project, if approved, gets under way in 2019.

A business case details extending the line by 2.8 miles (4.6km) from York Place to Newhaven.

 

Assuming they stay on budget (no laughing at the back of the class),

That is an unbelievable £11,174.24 a foot,

assume the trams to run on it are extra ???

I thought the extra trams and rails were already paid for and in storage somewhere? If so it makes the cost even more unbelievable.

[RiG]

18 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I thought the extra trams and rails were already paid for and in storage somewhere? If so it makes the cost even more unbelievable.

The trams definitely are. About 10 of them sit outside the Gogar depot doing nothing every day. This extra £165 million is for all the works to prepare and lay the rails down Leith Walk, by Ocean Terminal then to Newhaven.

From a quick read of the Outline Business Case I see they are also going to move the tram stop currently at York Place to Piccardy Place and redesign the junction there. That area of the city is already chaotic at the best of times let alone with the forthcoming Leith Street closure. And then after all that it's likely going to be altered again to move the tram stop a few yards. By the time it is all done folk around that area will have suffered something like a decade of near continuous road works if not even longer.

[Scary Bear]

The trams definitely are. About 10 of them sit outside the Gogar depot doing nothing every day. This extra £165 million is for all the works to prepare and lay the rails down Leith Walk, by Ocean Terminal then to Newhaven.

From a quick read of the Outline Business Case I see they are also going to move the tram stop currently at York Place to Piccardy Place and redesign the junction there. That area of the city is already chaotic at the best of times let alone with the forthcoming Leith Street closure. And then after all that it's likely going to be altered again to move the tram stop a few yards. By the time it is all done folk around that area will have suffered something like a decade of near continuous road works if not even longer.

Do you have a link to the Business Case?

[RiG]

2 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

Do you have a link to the Business Case?

 

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/4225/transport_and_environment_committee

Should get it from the link above

[Scary Bear]

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/4225/transport_and_environment_committee

Should get it from the link above [emoji4]

I was interested in the financial breakdown. See it's £114 million construction and the rest is to allow for contingencies and inflation.

[RiG]

4 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

I was interested in the financial breakdown. See it's £114 million construction and the rest is to allow for contingencies and inflation.

 

There was a document issued last year I think that talked about the cost:benefit ratio of the new line. Running it to Ocean Terminal actually had a better cost:benefit ratio than extending the line to Newhaven.

[nsr]

Since I left Uni I've gladly managed to avoid Edinburgh almost entirely. I've never set an eye on one of these fabled trams, let alone a foot. Just....what is the point of them? Is it nostalgia? Auld Betty and her "auld shoogly trams"? What do they do that the buses don't? Genuine questions. Wouldn't say I'm genuinely interested. Mildly curious at best.

[Gnash]

6 hours ago, nsr said:

What do they do that the buses don't? 

Go from the city centre to the park and ride without going in a ridiculous circuitous route that takes 45 min+ at rush hour.

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, Gnash said:

Go from the city centre to the park and ride without going in a ridiculous circuitous route that takes 45 min+ at rush hour.

The one time I went on it from the Airport to Waverley it was unbearably slow. Should have saved the money for a bit and built a Hyperloop.

[topcat(The most tip top)]

There was a document issued last year I think that talked about the cost:benefit ratio of the new line. Running it to Ocean Terminal actually had a better cost:benefit ratio than extending the line to Newhaven.

I'm not quite sure where the exact boundary is between Leith and Newhaven but it can't be too far beyond Ocean Terminal

[topcat(The most tip top)]

The original plan

[The Ginger Prince]

Cannot be arsed with any more of these fucking abysmal trams.

Fucking shambles.

[Le Tout P'ti FC]

The original plan

That Phase 3 spur is bizarre.

[nsr]

1 hour ago, Gnash said:

Go from the city centre to the park and ride without going in a ridiculous circuitous route that takes 45 min+ at rush hour.

Couldn't they just have put on an express bus service to do the same thing? Trams go on the same roads as the buses, right?

[invergowrie arab]

10 minutes ago, nsr said:

Couldn't they just have put on an express bus service to do the same thing? Trams go on the same roads as the buses, right?

Wrong