The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

[Afc69]

Would not surprise me if DM gets binned early this week.

Hibs are handing us 3rd place on a plate but with DM in charge, we’ll never make it.

Its clear Cormack wanted him out last month but for whatever reason - outvoted by the old farts in the committee - he changed his mind but the time is getting close.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Afc69

[10menwent2mow]

Would you bin him if we won the Scottish cup?

That's a tough one. Beat Dumbarton/Huntly and we are in the last 16, couple of good draws and we've every chance. I'm not vehemently anti-McInnes so it would buy him some time with me but I genuinely feel there are some among our support that are terrified at the thought of us having a cup run if it saves him. I just want us to win every game we play.

[10menwent2mow]

Probably because on the whole a back 3 has worked reasonably well defensively. Derek likes a solid defensive foundation to then build on offensively. The fact it's almost completely nullified us as an attacking threat seems to almost be collateral.
 

The back 3 is working fine defensively, so it should, we've got 7 outfield players on the park who are principally thought of as 'defenders', a back 3, 2 wing backs and 2 sitting midfielders, if this isn't enough to stop most teams in the Scottish Premiership from scoring then I don't know what would be.

As mentioned above, the three players who made this system work were Watkins, Hedges and Wright, why the f**k are we persisting with it when

1. These players aren't available/with us

2. It's not fucking working

[Dons_1988]

6 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said:

 

 

The back 3 is working fine defensively, so it should, we've got 7 outfield players on the park who are principally thought of as 'defenders', a back 3, 2 wing backs and 2 sitting midfielders, if this isn't enough to stop most teams in the Scottish Premiership from scoring then I don't know what would be.

As mentioned above, the three players who made this system work were Watkins, Hedges and Wright, why the f**k are we persisting with it when

1. These players aren't available/with us

2. It's not fucking working
 

 

I'm not defending it, I just reckon in his head he'll be reluctant to change a defensive structure that is actually working. He probably feels a change of shape is more likely to see us become leaky at the back than it is to make us start banging in goals. The fact we created a few chances on Saturday has probably satisfied him that we're being unlucky/lacking in confidence etc and it's not the shape.

[starryfish]

12 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said:

We're not winning the Scottish Cup this season... We haven't won it for the last 30 years so we're definitely not doing it with a team that can't find the net... 

In fact trips to Dumbarton etc makes me feel decidedly uneasy at present.. 

Dumbarton or Huntly must be licking their lips in anticipation at the moment.

[DukDukGoose]

10 hours ago, AFCDannyFTH said:

Found this on an old drive today, still hilarious. 

Will never not enjoy seeing Mackie raise his hand in celebration at that one.

[lubo_blaha]

Let’s give our boring manager one last game away at Tannadice, with United needing a win to have a chance of top six, and bring in a new guy to freshen things up and clear out the dross.

Hopefully Rory Boulding doesn’t still play for United.

[DukDukGoose]

1 minute ago, lubo_blaha said:

Let’s give our boring manager one last game away at Tannadice, with United needing a win to have a chance of top six, and bring in a new guy to freshen things up and clear out the dross.

Hopefully Rory Boulding doesn’t still play for United.

Hahaha. It's come full circle.

[DukDukGoose]

3 minutes ago, CCB19035 said:

The longer he's in the dugout the more I feel he'll be here next season. 
 

I did previously think he'd be away at the end of this one, but that would take some humility and lack of ego from the guy, which we all know we aren't going to get. 
 

What a sorry state we've become in the space of 2.5 years. He should've known the gig was up after those defeats to Motherwell in the cups a few year ago, utterly trounced. 
 

Give someone else a go.

If I was him I doubt I'd walk away from a massive pay off either.

[Aberdeen Cowden]

Has he gone yet? 

[DukDukGoose]

10 minutes ago, CCB19035 said:

If he loves AFC as much as he claims to, he definitely would. The guy has a house in Stonehaven more or less bought for him by the club, he's got his other house in Renfrewshire, he's been awarded new contracts, and since 2017 he's been on a farcically inflated wage. 
 

He'll be alright, the club might not be if we keep him. I understand that professionals back themselves and their ability, they have to, it's a cutthroat business, is football. However, if he had any humility he'd surely realise his time has come to its natural end, and he blethers on and on about loving the club, but he can't see the big picture for his own ego. 
 

I get the argument as to why would he walk away, but at the same time, he should. 

It's the ideal situation but I can't see it.

It's not a charity and of course he isn't working for free. At the same time the man literally turned down what I imagine was his dream job, along with another chance to prove himself down the road with Sunderland. Both jobs are seen as bigger in the world of football ,regardless of what we think about the diddy English leagues. On the basis of that alone I think he's earned the right to decide when he wants to go. I'd be happy for the club to take the decision out of his hands though.

[Dons_1988]

11 minutes ago, CCB19035 said:

If he loves AFC as much as he claims to, he definitely would. The guy has a house in Stonehaven more or less bought for him by the club, he's got his other house in Renfrewshire, he's been awarded new contracts, and since 2017 he's been on a farcically inflated wage. 
 

He'll be alright, the club might not be if we keep him. I understand that professionals back themselves and their ability, they have to, it's a cutthroat business, is football. However, if he had any humility he'd surely realise his time has come to its natural end, and he blethers on and on about loving the club, but he can't see the big picture for his own ego. 
 

I get the argument as to why would he walk away, but at the same time, he should. 

The idea that he'd waive his contractual right to compensation when the club tell him they've had enough of him out of pure sentiment is fanciful to say the least.

Whilst it would be an incredibly charitable thing to do he has no legal or moral obligation to do so. Yes he earns good money but he's in an incredibly unreliable industry as a source of income, of course he's going to look after himself.

[Frank Grimes]

Not even hearing any rumours about him potentially getting binned

Either it happens this week or we sleepwalk into the 2021/22 season with McInnes as Manager

Good luck flogging season tickets, Dave 

[Dons_1988]

5 minutes ago, CCB19035 said:

I believe he has a moral obligation to do so. I don't begrudge him it and I understand why he wouldn't, but it's clear as day what's going on. 
 

1 goal in 9 games. 9. 
 

Most managers would know by then. 

I'd be willing to bet he doesn't share your view.

[DukDukGoose]

7 minutes ago, CCB19035 said:

He turned down those jobs because he's a clever man and new that long term it wouldn't increase his stock. He wouldn't have been given the money/time that Gerrard had.
 

He'd have been away had any championship club in England with a steady, normal ownership came in for him. There's a reason why that hasn't happened, though. 

I liked the guy up until the last few years, I get the sense that he truly believes he's some messiah figure at our club, that he's untouchable. 
 

He manages without pressure, and the players appear to play without any. 
 

As posters have said before, fans aren't even angry anymore, just apathetic. That's infinitely worse than rage when it comes to a football club, you can change someone's rage to love fairly quickly, but once someone has full blown apathy set in it's difficult to claw them back.

 

In spite of the pandemic, Dave Cormack is an incredibly wealthy man still. He could afford to pay him off no problem, if he wanted to. 
 

 

Well then you could argue he hasn't walked away from a pay off because he's a clever man.

Let's look at it another way. Many allege (and I'm inclined to agree) that the compensation figure for McInnes and Doc is somewhere in the £1.5m market. Common sense would dictate that their pay off would be in that area too. What sensible duo would walk away from that knowing they may never have the chance to make that sort of money again? Realistically who is going to give Del a wage at that level for his next job? Hearts if they are desperate?

I'm apathetic. If I was allowed to attend the next home game and it was being played outside my front door I'd struggle to muster the energy to go. I appreciate all he's done but I'd like to see him go today. It doesn't mean he himself should make the choice to go.

I doubt I'd chuck my money in like this if I was Cormack tbh. Once you do it once it becomes far easier to do it again. Look at Eddie Thompson.

[Dons_1988]

4 minutes ago, CCB19035 said:

Hence the aforementioned ego and lack of humility. 
 

 

I really don't think it's an expectation you can place on someone. It's a fundamental of even having a contract.

[DukDukGoose]

2 minutes ago, CCB19035 said:

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying, in my view, as an actual lover of the club, I would walk away no questions asked after a run like he's had.

Its literally painful to watch at the moment. What was meant to be a form of escapism from the general drudgery and shite of life just now, has only added to the negative feelings many will undoubtedly have. 

I have no idea about Cormack at the moment, he started well, but he's shown himself up lately. I'm half expecting him to have no replacement lined up at all. 
 

He'll get a shock when he comes round with the begging bowl in April. 
 

 

It's very easy to decide what you'd do before you actually have to walk away from the guts of £1m though.

Did Cormack start well? He's been making a tit of himself in public long before Covid. A lot of it was just the nonsense fans think they want the chairman to say. I'd rather he didn't publicly moan about every slight or major decision that goes against us.

I don't think he's going to get a surprise tbh. I'd imagine he's weighing up the cost of binning the manager and potentially not getting 3rd against keeping him and not getting 3rd. It's not an easy decision when you genuinely control the purse strings.

[coprolite]

I always think that managers that resign because things are going badly are shitebags. 

[DukDukGoose]

14 minutes ago, CCB19035 said:

If I already had potentially millions in the bank, and a couple proprieties, I'm pretty sure I would do the decent thing and walk. I don't want for much. 
 

I know it's not an easy decision but for me, it's one that should be made sooner rather than later, delaying the inevitable is pointless. 
 

Even if he gets us third, people will still want him to go. You can't defend his recent record. No one can, well, aside from the man himself, of course. 
 

"That final bit." Is all we're missing. He's an excuse merchant, and he must surely know himself that he's chancing his luck with fans with every passing game and delusional interview. 
 

The worry is, I don't think he is. He says he feels pressure as he puts a demand on himself and his team to win, but I don't think he feels pressure in the way he should feel it. He's been cosy for too long, so have many of the players, any manager who lists cup finals and semi finals as achievements at a club like ours (with aspirations to win silverware consistently) should be treated with contempt. 
 

He's bullshitted his way through the last 2.5 years and it's came to a head.

He's not holding the club to ransom though. The club offered him a contract and he signed it. We can't get upset about a manager seeing out his contract whilst getting upset Scott Wright etc leave at the first good offer they get. We can't have our cake and eat it every time it's convenient for us. Morally he's doing nothing wrong.

I'm not defending him, far from it. I've been boring folk on here for the better part of two years complaining about the football, signings and general lack of ambition from the club. I've just trying to look at the situation in a rational manner.

[Dons_1988]

1 minute ago, Merkland Red said:

I'm not defending him, far from it. I've been boring folk on here for the better part of two years 

I'm saying nothing...