The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

[coprolite]

An old firm loanee like Montgomery or Velicka or an EPL loanee like Ward or Hector? Hmm. 

[Dons_1988]

15 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

When I say "top Scottish Premiership" CB you think Maldini?

If you want first team ready players to the extent you are this Summer you'll need loans.

Your choices are either from either Old Firm side or the EPL.

The EPL loanees would have similar "pedigree" as Longstaff.

I asked if you'd rather have an Old Firm loanee like Scales, or an EPL loanee like Longstaff.

I'm happy to have an actual discussion about this but, as always, Aberdeen fans have defaulted to claiming I'm "obsessed" rather than discuss it further.

Your arguments make absolutely no sense. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were trolling but you’re just coming across as thick. 

[Dons_1988]

20 minutes ago, coprolite said:

An old firm loanee like Montgomery or Velicka or an EPL loanee like Ward or Hector? Hmm. 

Almost as if the ability and the mentality of the player are of more relevance than the parent club. Surely not…

[Grangemouth Bairn]

3 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

When I say "top Scottish Premiership" CB you think Maldini?

If you want first team ready players to the extent you are this Summer you'll need loans.

Your choices are either from either Old Firm side or the EPL.

The EPL loanees would have similar "pedigree" as Longstaff.

I asked if you'd rather have an Old Firm loanee like Scales, or an EPL loanee like Longstaff.

I'm happy to have an actual discussion about this but, as always, Aberdeen fans have defaulted to claiming I'm "obsessed" rather than discuss it further.

The post I quoted you on made no reference at all to Scotland only that Scales was an incredible left sided CB. I said my opinion of an incredible left sided CB was Maldini.

[RandomGuy.]

3 hours ago, Dons_1988 said:

Almost as if the ability and the mentality of the player are of more relevance than the parent club. Surely not…

Which is my point. 

You don't write off a player because they play for an Old Firm club.

31 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

The post I quoted you on made no reference at all to Scotland only that Scales was an incredible left sided CB. I said my opinion of an incredible left sided CB was Maldini.

How very dense.

[Dons_1988]

1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said:

Which is my point. 

You don't write off a player because they play for an Old Firm club.

How very dense.

That wasn’t your point 

Was that what you were trying to say when you did your ‘Celtic or EPL loanee, you’ll end up with Matty longstaff!!!’ bit? 

To bring this nonsense to an end, some people will accept a loan from Celtic and that’s fine. But being against it on the basis of not being able to play against them is a perfectly legitimate position to take and your agitation about it is nothing short of weird. 

Also, a non-OF fan telling other fans to know their place in relation to the OF is just a great look for you. I hope your wee fetish for arguing with dons fans was worth that. 

[Afc69]

On 03/06/2022 at 10:03, lubo_blaha said:

Celtic sniffing about Barron now. Maybe that’s the hold up in the Scales deal?

[RandomGuy.]

12 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

That wasn’t your point 

My point has always been you won't be able to get anyone as good as him this Summer, so saying you'd rather sign someone else simply because Scales plays for Celtic is daft.

You're not competing with them for position so him missing those 3/4 games would have little affect on your season.

12 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

He's a top CB for this league.

Also @Grangemouth Bairn

Learn to read pls.

[Grangemouth Bairn]

Just now, RandomGuy. said:

My point has always been you won't be able to get anyone as good as him this Summer, so saying you'd rather sign someone else simply because Scales plays for Celtic is daft.

You're not competing with them for position so him missing those 3/4 games would have little affect on your season.

Also @Grangemouth Bairn

Learn to read pls.

You specifically said ‘incredible’ - he isn’t.

[Dons_1988]

1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said:

My point has always been you won't be able to get anyone as good as him this Summer, so saying you'd rather sign someone else simply because Scales plays for Celtic is daft.

You're not competing with them for position so him missing those 3/4 games would have little affect on your season.

Also @Grangemouth Bairn

Learn to read pls.

Ryan Christie missed a Scottish cup final for this very reason. Just because we won’t finish above Celtic doesn’t mean 3/4 games against them are irrelevant. 

[RandomGuy.]

2 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said:

You specifically said ‘incredible’ - he isn’t.

Ever seen him play LCB?

1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said:

Ryan Christie missed a Scottish cup final for this very reason. Just because we won’t finish above Celtic doesn’t mean 3/4 games against them are irrelevant. 

You've played in 1 Scottish Cup Final in 20+ years, you shouldn't be signing inferior players because you're worried about that.

For Aberdeen this season should be entirely about getting back into the top 4 and Europe by any means necessary, then you can rebuild properly. Just get the best squad together that you can and start planning for next Summer once this window shuts.

[Dons_1988]

Just now, RandomGuy. said:

Ever seen him play LCB?

You've played in 1 Scottish Cup Final in 20+ years, you shouldn't be signing inferior players because you're worried about that.

For Aberdeen this season should be entirely about getting back into the top 4 and Europe by any means necessary, then you can rebuild properly. Just get the best squad together that you can and start planning for next Summer once this window shuts.

Sorry mate, I’m not writing off the cup competitions because you think so. 

[big al]

5 hours ago, Thenorthernlight said:

Jesus Christ 

[Bogbrush1903]

5 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

Ever seen him play LCB?

You've played in 1 Scottish Cup Final in 20+ years, you shouldn't be signing inferior players because you're worried about that.

For Aberdeen this season should be entirely about getting back into the top 4 and Europe by any means necessary, then you can rebuild properly. Just get the best squad together that you can and start planning for next Summer once this window shuts.

We also lost a League Cup Final to a Ryan Christie goal a few months after he returned from spending a couple of years at Pittodrie getting himself ready for the Celtic first team.

What happens if we need a win against Celtic to secure a European spot and we lose our main central defender for the match?

Or the four matches we lose Scales for against Celtic cost us our European place?

Or maybe we should take the diddy approach and say anything we get off the Gruesome Twosome is a bonus "but doesn't define our season" shite...

 

Edited June 5, 2022 by Bogbrush1903

[HarleyQuinn]

Liam scales on loan with the option to buy is smart business. If he's no good then no loss. 

Goodwin was supposedly after him when managing St Mirren. 

[lubo_blaha]

We also lost a League Cup Final to a Ryan Christie goal a few months after he returned from spending a couple of years at Pittodrie getting himself ready for the Celtic first team.
What happens if we need a win against Celtic to secure a European spot and we lose our main central defender for the match?
Or the four matches we lose Scales for against Celtic cost us our European place?
Or maybe we should take the diddy approach and say anything we get off the Gruesome Twosome is a bonus "but doesn't define our season" shite...
 

Christie was a really good player for us. His goals got us through in Europe, into a Scottish Cup final, got us our first win at Ibrox in decades and helped secure back to back second place finishes.

I don’t buy into the idea that him scoring against us a cup final changes that. That could’ve still happened if he’d spent that time at Hibs, for example, instead. The only difference is that we wouldn’t have benefited from the above.

I’m not completely against us loaning players off them if they’ll actually improve the team (ie Christie not Montgomery) and if there’s some chance of them staying permanently afterwards.

Not being able to play against the parent club is a bit of a joke though.

[Dons_1988]

7 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said:

Christie was a really good player for us. His goals got us through in Europe, into a Scottish Cup final, got us our first win at Ibrox in decades and helped secure back to back second place finishes.

I don’t buy into the idea that him scoring against us a cup final changes that. That could’ve still happened if he’d spent that time at Hibs, for example, instead. The only difference is that we wouldn’t have benefited from the above.

I’m not completely against us loaning players off them if they’ll actually improve the team (ie Christie not Montgomery) and if there’s some chance of them staying permanently afterwards.

Not being able to play against the parent club is a bit of a joke though.

I agree scoring against us isn’t a big deal, it’s a sore one yes but as you say could just have easy developed on loan elsewhere. 

Im not completely against it but if we’re bringing in someone to be a key part of the defence I don’t expect our management to be comfortable with him missing 3/4 games (10%) of the league season and potentially important cup ties. 

 

[lubo_blaha]

I agree scoring against us isn’t a big deal, it’s a sore one yes but as you say could just have easy developed on loan elsewhere. 
Im not completely against it but if we’re bringing in someone to be a key part of the defence I don’t expect our management to be comfortable with him missing 3/4 games (10%) of the league season and potentially important cup ties. 
 

I agree with that, although having a player who is actually available for 90% of our games would be an improvement on most of our recent signings.

[tarapoa]

If the player improves the squad, whilst it's an inconvenience he cannot play against the team that finished first - presumably he could still do a turn against the 8 other sides that finished above us? 

Right now the frustration of being depleted for another cup final against Celtic seems a bit away.  

[Game of throw-ins]

Re "developing" players for Celtic (or Rangers).  I always thought this fear is exaggerated.

In the first place, we can all agree that there's no point in a loan player coming here unless he's going to improve the squad.  Irrespective where he's come from.

So let's take hypothetical player A.  He's signed for Celtic, but he's not ready for their team and they want to loan him out.  He's the calibre of player who will improve our squad and we couldn't afford to bring here as our own player.  The two options are:

1. He comes here.  He makes a contribution to AFC and goes back to Celtic  with more game time and a better player.

2. We decide we're not willing to develop a player for Celtic so he goes to a different club, let's say Hibs.  He makes a contribution to them and goes back to Celtic with more game time and a better player.

As far as I can see the only real difference between 1 and 2 is that we miss out on the contribution he would have made if he'd been here and Hibs get it instead.  Celtic don't lose out.  We lose out.