ToonBairn Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 ToonBairn - Your post was rather strange! You want a socialist Scotland, yet reckon this will be best achieved with a No vote. Explain why? Currency - If you've missed it, we're keeping the pound (this is set in stone) Borders - There is already a border. Nothing will change. A socialist Scotland would be the ideal scenario but that's not what is been proposed from the Nationalists, who are far from been socialists. If it were to be that the pound was kept, this would be governed by the Bank of England. The name giving it away quite clearly states how that would be a problem A controlled border would come into action. Not some sign on the motorway telling you what country your in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Your basis for this? I certainly won't be voting for them. That's assuming they're still a party given their place would be a tad redundant when they achieve their only real reason for existing. Precisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 A socialist Scotland would be the ideal scenario but that's not what is been proposed from the Nationalists, who are far from been socialists. If it were to be that the pound was kept, this would be governed by the Bank of England. The name giving it away quite clearly states how that would be a problem A controlled border would come into action. Not some sign on the motorway telling you what country your in Where are you getting this nonsense from? The Daily Mail? Ed "The Red" "Govern like Maggie" Milliband? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 A socialist Scotland would be the ideal scenario but that's not what is been proposed from the Nationalists, who are far from been socialists. If it were to be that the pound was kept, this would be governed by the Bank of England. The name giving it away quite clearly states how that would be a problem A controlled border would come into action. Not some sign on the motorway telling you what country your in So vote New Labour? Rich Tories hate Yes Scotland. Why do you think so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 ToonBairn definitely strikes me as someone who believes every single word the No side says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Unfortunately there are many like him, and those people are the ones who will scupper a Yes vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Where are you getting this nonsense from? The Daily Mail? Ed "The Red" "Govern like Maggie" Milliband? Why wouldn't there be a border if Scotland and England have different immigration policies? Speaking of immigration, more than 50% of Scots was less immigration and the Yes campaigns economic argument is based on more immigration. That has no doubt cost them supporters. Of course, the argument falls to bits anyway when there's been nothing mentioned in regards to increasing public services, housing etc. It's completely unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 IMMIGANTS don't pay taxes or contribute to the funding of public services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Your basis for this? I certainly won't be voting for them. That's assuming they're still a party given their place would be a tad redundant when they achieve their only real reason for existing. Have you just wandered in from the 1970s? The SNPs days of 'vote for us and we'll resign the day after' have long gone. You are aware of the White Paper aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Why wouldn't there be a border if Scotland and England have different immigration policies? Show me the border between Eire and Northern Ireland. Show me the border between Sweden and Norway. It's a toys oot the pram proposal from a spoilt brat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Unfortunately there are many like him, and those people are the ones who will scupper a Yes vote. A vote if No isn't a dastardly plot to scupper Yes. Its a vote for No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Have you just wandered in from the 1970s? The SNPs days of 'vote for us and we'll resign the day after' have long gone. You are aware of the White Paper aren't you? And? Are you saying that the SNP hold all of the Yes campaign's votes? No one is saying that they won't run for government in a Scottish election or that they would automatically win. One of the exciting parts of an independent Scotland is a new freedom to make a completely new political structure, free of London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 A vote if No isn't a dastardly plot to scupper Yes. Its a vote for No. I'm not saying that. There are a lot of people voting blindly instead of making an informed decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I'm not saying that. There are a lot of people voting blindly instead of making an informed decision. Which is true of every vote everywhere. Lots of people couldn't give a monkeys either way and won't bother looking into it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I'm not saying that. There are a lot of people voting blindly instead of making an informed decision. With so much uncertainty, just how "informed" is a vote for Yes? (If I'm correct in assuming you think more No's are voting blindly than Yes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Why wouldn't there be a border if Scotland and England have different immigration policies? I don't know if you've ever been to England but there's already a border there. Much as there is one between N.I. and R.O.I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I don't know if you've ever been to England but there's already a border there. Much as there is one between N.I. and R.O.I. ROI and UK immigration policies aren't actually very different. There are small differences on visitor visa requirements but not many. The SNP have indicated they would have Scotland implement a significantly more open door policy than either the UK or the Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 ROI and UK immigration policies aren't actually very different. There are small differences on visitor visa requirements but not many. The SNP have indicated they would have Scotland implement a significantly more open door policy than either the UK or the Republic. They haven't indicated an open door policy. Their immigration policy is pretty conservative if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 ROI and UK immigration policies aren't actually very different. There are small differences on visitor visa requirements but not many. The SNP have indicated they would have Scotland implement a significantly more open door policy than either the UK or the Republic. And what if the Irish vote for a party with different policies to which they have now? Will a fence be erected between ROI and the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 With so much uncertainty, just how "informed" is a vote for Yes? (If I'm correct in assuming you think more No's are voting blindly than Yes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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