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Anyone watching panorama? Lots of seethe about SNP and fptpp. Tasmina from SNP on, first time seeing her.

They can moan all they want, constituencies vote for who they want them to represent at Parliament, doesn't matter how many voted you get overall, If you can't get enough votes to win a constituency then tough titties

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They can moan all they want, constituencies vote for who they want them to represent at Parliament, doesn't matter how many voted you get overall, If you can't get enough votes to win a constituency then tough titties

To be fair, FPTP is a warped system. STV should be used.

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To be fair, FPTP is a warped system. STV should be used.

It is a shite system, but they knew the rules before standing for election. can't moan about it now

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To be fair, FPTP is a warped system. STV should be used.

This was the the Spectator's leader on the subject just before the election when they thought it would be a Labour led hung parliament:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/politics/9521812/the-election-when-first-past-the-post-lost/

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Donohoe is an arse.

I was in that :) (The programme...not Donohoe's arse)

Loved the bit where uber Tory John redwood in the one breath saying of course we'll listen and when an argument is put forward the cry is nonsense from him and just arrogantly dismisses the argument

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

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That £1million pound donation has worked out well for the plagarist Rowling 8)

Almost as funny as the diddie who sponsored the UKIP guy who never gets elected as an MP 8)

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This sums up the British media, utter shite but they suggest it might be true without saying it was, just to leave the reader with that impression. Disgusting.

Concerns were raised last week that voters in the General Election were subjected to intimidation by SNP supporters at a polling station.

Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson tweeted: 'Disturbing reports of people being turned away from an Annan polling station by burly blokes if they say they don't support a certain party'.

The fears came after ugly scenes when Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy attempted to make a speech in Glasgow during the campaign.

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Give it 10 year, I'm sure the number of labour votes will keep sinking :)

Somebody said it on another thread but they need to break off from UK labour, then change their stance on independence to neutral, otherwise they're never ever going to recover. Always be remembered for ganging up with the Tories

Why change their stance on independence? That's not the reason they lost - they lost because people don't trust them. Not just in Scotland but across the UK.

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Why change their stance on independence? That's not the reason they lost - they lost because people don't trust them. Not just in Scotland but across the UK.

What they need to do isn't change their stance but actually talk about something else other than the constitution for a bit.

It's not as if the SNP Government at Holyrood has been so supremely competent that its record can't be criticised.

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Why change their stance on independence? That's not the reason they lost - they lost because people don't trust them. Not just in Scotland but across the UK.

Because they'll never ever get back the labour supporters who voted yes

I don't think that's why they lost either, they lost in England because the Tories played the scare cards about Salmond/Sturgeon controlling Miliband very well

And they lost up here because of their behaviour during the referendum

Simple as that

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We're not going to get a change in the electoral system until we get a hung parliament, and it has to be a situation where Tories or Labour fall a long way short like what everyone was predicting before that exit poll came out.

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It's not independence per se, but sharing a platform with the Tories and putting the interests of the Labour party before the interests of the Scottish people has been the final nail in the coffin.

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The SNP have taken over the centre-left political space and are overwhelmingly more respected and trusted to prioritise Scottish interests - even among those who don't wish for full independence - than the discredited, career-politician churning Labour party. There's very little they can actually do about this: a third-rate centre-left voice is redundant in Scottish politics and now that the learned behaviour of voting Laebur cos' Laebur has been smashed, they're finished as a credible party machine.

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Reading that Irvine Welsh Guardian piece there, I laughed out loud at how much one paragraph reminded me of a particular P&B set.

The sad truth is that Blairism has afforded many people who have drifted to the right through wealth, success or just a plain old hardening of the political arteries the delusion that they are somehow still on the “left”. They dislike the grass-roots radicalism of the Scottish independence movement, as it called them out on their own incipient conservatism. When confronted with it during the referendum, their visceral reaction was to pucker their lips in distaste and cry “Salmond!” before throwing in their lot with the status quo.

He must read this forum, scarily accurate.

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