ecto Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Just to be clear then, the new leader of the "Scottish" Labour party has not in anyway criticised the leader of the "Scottish" Tories. Maybe you can answer this question then. Is the pan-Unionist alliance with Labour & the Tories still going? With the failure of Murphy to criticise the Tories in Scotland you can only assume the pact is still an ongoing thing it seems..... This is truly paranoid thinking on a "confi" level, possibly, you are more to be pitied than scorned, good grief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Just to be clear then, the new leader of the "Scottish" Labour party has not in anyway criticised the leader of the "Scottish" Tories. Maybe you can answer this question then. Is the pan-Unionist alliance with Labour & the Tories still going? With the failure of Murphy to criticise the Tories in Scotland you can only assume the pact is still an ongoing thing it seems..... Really though, why would Murphy criticise Ruth Davidson, she's a complete irrelevance in 2015. The direct threat to 'Scottish' Labour in 2015 is the SNP, the indirect threat is the UK Tories, as in 'If we take a tanking off the SNP, the Tories might get more seats in Westminster than us'. Has Ruth Davidson even been heard from since the referendum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 She put herself forward as first minister as a laugh but that's about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Really though, why would Murphy criticise Ruth Davidson, she's a complete irrelevance in 2015. The direct threat to 'Scottish' Labour in 2015 is the SNP, the indirect threat is the UK Tories, as in 'If we take a tanking off the SNP, the Tories might get more seats in Westminster than us'. Has Ruth Davidson even been heard from since the referendum? Davidson is a Tory. Surely Murphy should be distancing himself form the Tories, any Tories no matter where they are, especially with an election coming up where they are your main opposition UK wide? And that fact that Labour were in a pact with the toxic Tories during Indyref1, then surely it makes sense to at least try and make them the "enemy"? Maybe a Labour/Tory coalition is not as far fetched as it seems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Davidson is a Tory. Surely Murphy should be distancing himself form the Tories, any Tories no matter where they are, especially with an election coming up where they are your main opposition UK wide? And that fact that Labour were in a pact with the toxic Tories during Indyref1, then surely it makes sense to at least try and make them the "enemy"? Maybe a Labour/Tory coalition is not as far fetched as it seems? There's no doubt that a lot of people are going to be put off voting Labour because they see them as just as bad or no different to the Tories but in reality, if Murphy comes out in some interview and has a go at Davidson, the response from a lot of people is going to be "who?". The Scottish Tories will be coming out with absolutely nothing of their own in the next 4 months. In fact, the Tories will probably be pretty happy to just keep bashing Labour in the UK press and just hope a trouncing at the hands of the SNP keeps Labour from forming a majority, as far as Scotland goes. They'll probably be relatively quiet in Scotland, apart from the couple of seats where they might nick something due to the Lib Dem implosion, if their vote holds. Labour in Scotland will ramp up the 'vote SNP get Tory' rhetoric to DEFCON 4 during the election (and the focus will be on Cameron and Osbourne, not a non-entity like Ruth Davidson) because that's what's worked in the past and they have to bank on it working again because everything else they've been doing for the past year has just seen their polling in Scotland plummet. Pretty much all I've heard from Murphy since he was elected has been varients of 'I want to make Labour win again' or 'I don't have to do what London tells me'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 At this stage it's a pretty pointless question. If we were a couple of months down the line, fair enough. Hold on, Murphy campaigned to be leader of the Scottish Labour Party without saying one word about the Tories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Hold on, Murphy campaigned to be leader of the Scottish Labour Party without saying one word about the Tories? That sounds about right. He regressed to 'stop Tories', after the Murphy 'bounce'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Hold on, Murphy campaigned to be leader of the Scottish Labour Party without saying one word about the Tories? He's been critical of Tory policies (bedroom tax and the lowering if the top rate of income tax etc) over the last few weeks and I'm pretty sure he attacked Cameron shortly after becoming leader. Ultimately though the threat to Scottish Labour is from the SNP, not Ruth Davidson, and the focus is on Westminster until after the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Hold on, Murphy campaigned to be leader of the Scottish Labour Party without saying one word about the Tories? He's been critical of Tory policies (bedroom tax and the lowering if the top rate of income tax etc) over the last few weeks and I'm pretty sure he attacked Cameron shortly after becoming leader. Ultimately though the threat to Scottish Labour is from the SNP, not Ruth Davidson, and the focus is on Westminster until after the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 He's been critical of Tory policies (bedroom tax and the lowering if the top rate of income tax etc) over the last few weeks and I'm pretty sure he attacked Cameron shortly after becoming leader. Ultimately though the threat to Scottish Labour is from the SNP, not Ruth Davidson, and the focus is on Westminster until after the election. you are right but, you have "riled" the "flock", they can't see or hear anything for their own anti-labour "seethe", but it is apparently how the "flock" get through the day, pathetic really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 You have to laugh at the monkey in a red rosette type voters calling anyone a sheep. You're in the same category as my grandad and he's always been a sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 We know the SNP are the main opposition to Labour in Scotland. But it's odd if not downright bizarre that the new leader of Labour in Scotland hasn't had any criticism of the Tory leader at all. You would almost think that Better Together hasn't disbanded since Indyref1. Wonder why that would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 We know the SNP are the main opposition to Labour in Scotland. But it's odd if not downright bizarre that the new leader of Labour in Scotland hasn't had any criticism of the Tory leader at all. You would almost think that Better Together hasn't disbanded since Indyref1. Wonder why that would be? What's he to gain from bashing Ruth Davidson? She's been a virtual nonentity since the referendum finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 What's he to gain from bashing Ruth Davidson? She's been a virtual nonentity since the referendum finished. She's a Tory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 We know the SNP are the main opposition to Labour in Scotland. But it's odd if not downright bizarre that the new leader of Labour in Scotland hasn't had any criticism of the Tory leader at all. You would almost think that Better Together hasn't disbanded since Indyref1. Wonder why that would be? LOL, this continues to be "Confi" like, pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 We know the SNP are the main opposition to Labour in Scotland. But it's odd if not downright bizarre that the new leader of Labour in Scotland hasn't had any criticism of the Tory leader at all. You would almost think that Better Together hasn't disbanded since Indyref1. Wonder why that would be? No doubt you'd complain if he did it - you'd say he was not attacking his real opponents. If anything it's a change from Labour who have tended to go down the big bad Tory route before. That as a strategy is not as effective as it used to be - you should realise that from the similar efforts to attack the Tories during the referendum campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 No doubt you'd complain if he did it - you'd say he was not attacking his real opponents. If anything it's a change from Labour who have tended to go down the big bad Tory route before. That as a strategy is not as effective as it used to be - you should realise that from the similar efforts to attack the Tories during the referendum campaign. One of the biggest problems for Scottish Labour in the last 10 or so years has been their automatic opposition to anything the SNP says or does (unthinking, automatic opposition - much like a football fan). The reason this has been so problematic is that the Scottish people have , by and large, supported SNP policy direction. This makes Scottish Labour look predictable and shallow. A whole new approach is required if they are to have any hope of regaining the trust of voters and Jim Murphy has showed no signs (as far as I can see) of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Isn't that nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 She's a Tory Is that the level of political engagement you want from Murphy? Just bashing the 'natural enemy' regardless of how relevant they are to Scottish politics at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowthennowthen Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Being the career politician type, Murphy will probably manage to slink away before the Holyroods so his CV has Scottish leader but not the Scottish leader who lost record amounts of seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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