ecto Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 One of the biggest problems for Scottish Labour in the last 10 or so years has been their automatic opposition to anything the SNP says or does (unthinking, automatic opposition - much like a football fan). The reason this has been so problematic is that the Scottish people have , by and large, supported SNP policy direction. This makes Scottish Labour look predictable and shallow. A whole new approach is required if they are to have any hope of regaining the trust of voters and Jim Murphy has showed no signs (as far as I can see) of that. Alert another one with "Confitis" can't see anything for the "seethe", pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Alert another one with "Confitis" can't see anything for the "seethe", pathetic That's some sharp critical analysis right there. Any chance you're able to debate the issues, like an adult maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 That's some sharp critical analysis right there. Any chance you're able to debate the issues, like an adult maybe? that is the point, there is no issue here, the Tories are not an issue in Scotland, so why would Murphy be bothered by Davidson, this is a straight fight between the SNP and Labour, the other parties are only bit players, even you must see that, surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Is this the same Mr Murphy who failed to vote against the bedroom tax. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bedroom-tax-your-mp-vote-4830243 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 that is the point, there is no issue here, the Tories are not an issue in Scotland, so why would Murphy be bothered by Davidson, this is a straight fight between the SNP and Labour, the other parties are only bit players, even you must see that, surely It's already been acknowledged the SNP are Labour's biggest rival in Scotland. But Labour are fighting the Tories to be the next Westminster government. To not make any criticism of the Tory leader in Scotland is just downright bizarre. Nobody is saying Davidson should be Murphy's main focus You must see that surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 It's already been acknowledged the SNP are Labour's biggest rival in Scotland. But Labour are fighting the Tories to be the next Westminster government. To not make any criticism of the Tory leader in Scotland is just downright bizarre. Nobody is saying Davidson should be Murphy's main focus You must see that surely long time til May, will be much criticism before then, so just calm yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 long time til May, will be much criticism before then, so just calm yourself Gie's a shout when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 that is the point, there is no issue here, the Tories are not an issue in Scotland, so why would Murphy be bothered by Davidson, this is a straight fight between the SNP and Labour, the other parties are only bit players, even you must see that, surely Did you even read my post? Politics is not just about attacking 'your opponent '. Scottish labour have attacked the snp at every single turn in the last decade. People see through this. It's all about the football analogy. I'm a socialist. And like many voters who have shifted to the snp in recent years I keep an open mind and listen to the arguments. Scottish labour have lost all credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Is this the same Mr Murphy who failed to vote against the bedroom tax. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bedroom-tax-your-mp-vote-4830243 jmo Can you confirm that Jim Murphy has voted against the bedroom tax at each & every occasion that a vote on the matter has been held at Westminster? Specifically, can you please confirm exactly how he voted in the debate held (on his own party's motion) on the evening of Tuesday 12th November 2013? For bonus points, do you recall how Gordon Brown, Anas Sarwar, Dougie Alexander, Pamela Nash, Brian Donohoe, Frank Doran, James Hood, David Hamilton & Ann McKechin voted in the same division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 long time til May, will be much criticism before then, so just calm yourself I assume that (like Nicola Sturgeon), Jim Murphy has ruled out entering into a Westminster coalition with the Tories under any circumstances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bedroom-tax-your-mp-vote-4830243 Well after the fact. Week before referendum. Pretty shabby stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 jmo Can you confirm that Jim Murphy has voted against the bedroom tax at each & every occasion that a vote on the matter has been held at Westminster? Specifically, can you please confirm exactly how he voted in the debate held (on his own party's motion) on the evening of Tuesday 12th November 2013? For bonus points, do you recall how Gordon Brown, Anas Sarwar, Dougie Alexander, Pamela Nash, Brian Donohoe, Frank Doran, James Hood, David Hamilton & Ann McKechin voted in the same division? Oh you want answers? My god, that's so old Labour. Just rely on press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Oh you want answers? My god, that's so old Labour. Just rely on press. Hansard gives answers. Murphy abstained with his chums. Let Scots down again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Hansard gives answers. Murphy abstained with his chums. Let Scots down again. Its fucking tragic. With the press turning Russian. There'll be no debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I assume that (like Nicola Sturgeon), Jim Murphy has ruled out entering into a Westminster coalition with the Tories under any circumstances?It isn't up to Jim Murphy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Is that the level of political engagement you want from Murphy? Just bashing the 'natural enemy' regardless of how relevant they are to Scottish politics at the moment? Should he comment on the possibility of a Tory/Labour coalition, do you think? 'Cos he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 jmo Can you confirm that Jim Murphy has voted against the bedroom tax at each & every occasion that a vote on the matter has been held at Westminster? Specifically, can you please confirm exactly how he voted in the debate held (on his own party's motion) on the evening of Tuesday 12th November 2013? For bonus points, do you recall how Gordon Brown, Anas Sarwar, Dougie Alexander, Pamela Nash, Brian Donohoe, Frank Doran, James Hood, David Hamilton & Ann McKechin voted in the same division? He voted against the bedroom tax on the incident I posted above. The implication of the above poster was that if he really is opposed to the bedroom tax why has he never voted for it's withdrawal? He has voted against it and has spoken out against it, he also represents the only party big enough to repeal it, and if Labour win the election it will be repealed. Apart from anything else was Jim Murphy not paired with a Tory MP on the Labour motion in 2013 anyway? What relevance is the voting record of other MPs? It's quite clear Jim Murphy is opposed to the bedroom tax, and it's an example of a Tory policy he has attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Should he comment on the possibility of a Tory/Labour coalition, do you think? 'Cos he hasn't. Maybe for the "hard of thinking" he should, for the rest of us, no need, it won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Maybe for the "hard of thinking" he should, for the rest of us, no need, it won't happen The rest of us, aye? The roasters who vote Labour, that is who you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 He voted against the bedroom tax on the incident I posted above. The implication of the above poster was that if he really is opposed to the bedroom tax why has he never voted for it's withdrawal? He has voted against it and has spoken out against it, he also represents the only party big enough to repeal it, and if Labour win the election it will be repealed. Apart from anything else was Jim Murphy not paired with a Tory MP on the Labour motion in 2013 anyway? What relevance is the voting record of other MPs? It's quite clear Jim Murphy is opposed to the bedroom tax, and it's an example of a Tory policy he has attacked. He could not care less. Murphy's voting record's shite. And you want 'answers'? for the rest of us, no need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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