diegomarahenry Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 He had never shown the remotest interest in these real problems in his 10 year parliamentary career until this trolling attempt. So he shouldn't raise them now? because he is a privileged white male elected by the public conservative MP.....who are in power, in parliament, he shouldn't ever raise issues because he hasn't raised them before.........have I got that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 He had never shown the remotest interest in these real problems in his 10 year parliamentary career until this trolling attempt. So these issues regarding men should just be ignored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So these issues regarding men should just be ignored? Literally no one is saying that. I think his suggestion to have male specific debates on international men's day is a great one. I can however understand that when it comes from a frothing right wing bigot Tory sponsored by his pals and the DUP in the spirit of "gender equality" it is taken less seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So these issues regarding men should just be ignored? Certainly not, but they shouldn't be used to troll womens rights issues. They're important in their own right, something Davies has failed to grasp and show any interest in before. Using them like that undermines the message, an important one.It's like when the issue of gay rights is raised some prat like Davies always spouts up with "What about straight rights?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Literally no one is saying that. I think his suggestion to have male specific debates on international men's day is a great one. I can however understand that when it comes from a frothing right wing bigot Tory sponsored by his pals and the DUP in the spirit of "gender equality" it is taken less seriously. I don't care who brings it up in parliament tbh, it's a serious issue that has to be discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 This This is the difference in mindset that annoys the majority of men, when issues are raised they are judged on merit of morality, until an issue about mens wellbeing is raised, then it becomes "who is asking?" "why are they asking?" "what is behind it?" rather than saying, these are valid points and yes, something should be done about it, regardless of who raises it. Then comes the "haven't men got enough" or "raise it in parliament" So rather than set aside time away from normal parliamentary business like the economy or doing poor people out of money. An MP has to create a private members bill, hope it is selected and then are given a short period of time to speak about it in an empty parliament, or he could propose it at the correct committee. If he was trolling do you not think he would have brought it up in the chamber to a wider audience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 This This is the difference in mindset that annoys the majority of men, when issues are raised they are judged on merit of morality, until an issue about mens wellbeing is raised, then it becomes "who is asking?" "why are they asking?" "what is behind it?" rather than saying, these are valid points and yes, something should be done about it, regardless of who raises it. Then comes the "haven't men got enough" or "raise it in parliament" So rather than set aside time away from normal parliamentary business like the economy or doing poor people out of money. An MP has to create a private members bill, hope it is selected and then are given a short period of time to speak about it in an empty parliament, or he could propose it at the correct committee. If he was trolling do you not think he would have brought it up in the chamber to a wider audience? If he was serious about the issues he would have made an attempt to gain cross party support which the committee made clear was necessary to get the motion through. Instead he turned up with a list of a few of his cronies on the back of an envelope, knowing it wouldn't get anywhere. He was trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Never mind this. Can we discuss why woman are constantly surprised that they are asked to pay for purchases at the till and spend a good five minutes trawling through their bags looking for a means of payment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So it should be torpedoed because you think he was trolling? because all the voices in the media we are hearing about this is that he was trolling, the issues clearly don't matter because a tory brought it up with support of people who agree with him. All the discussion have seen in the media has been about the bad old man probably sexist privileged Tory having the audacity to say that mens issues need to be represented. None that say he has a point, which proves his point, that there is no representation of these issues and a woman shouting louder and pretending to be outraged is given all the airtime. An elected woman scoffed at the thought of men wanting to highlight mens issues, made a total arse of herself, hand over mouth pissing herself at the thought of a parliamentary discussion about the issues raised and you are on here claiming that the male MP is the bad guy. Watch the clip from the start, The chairman and Jess Phillips share a few nods and smirks before the debate starts, she wasn't going to be listening to what he had to say because she had already made her mind up that he was going to say some mildly sexist things and she was going to ridicule him. He starts talking about male cancers and depression and rather than apologizing for laughing and misjudging the situation, adopts the defense of women being underrepresented in government despite part of the statement being that there is a monthly womans debate and not one for mens issues, where these very issues could be discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Never mind this. Can we discuss why woman are constantly surprised that they are asked to pay for purchases at the till and spend a good five minutes trawling through their bags looking for a means of payment I see this all the time - its because women aren't practical and can't think a step ahead. Things like this happen to Mrs Throbber constantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So it should be torpedoed because you think he was trolling? because all the voices in the media we are hearing about this is that he was trolling, the issues clearly don't matter because a tory brought it up with support of people who agree with him. All the discussion have seen in the media has been about the bad old man probably sexist privileged Tory having the audacity to say that mens issues need to be represented. None that say he has a point, which proves his point, that there is no representation of these issues and a woman shouting louder and pretending to be outraged is given all the airtime. An elected woman scoffed at the thought of men wanting to highlight mens issues, made a total arse of herself, hand over mouth pissing herself at the thought of a parliamentary discussion about the issues raised and you are on here claiming that the male MP is the bad guy. Watch the clip from the start, The chairman and Jess Phillips share a few nods and smirks before the debate starts, she wasn't going to be listening to what he had to say because she had already made her mind up that he was going to say some mildly sexist things and she was going to ridicule him. He starts talking about male cancers and depression and rather than apologizing for laughing and misjudging the situation, adopts the defense of women being underrepresented in government despite part of the statement being that there is a monthly womans debate and not one for mens issues, where these very issues could be discussed. Aye, she bit as he expected. Job done. He doesn't give a shit the issues he raised though whereas she is actually trying to get something done about them, especially in the area of mental health. He's been trying to get the minimum wage lowered for the mentally ill and disabled, a fact which MIND protested about. Never mind this. Can we discuss why woman are constantly surprised that they are asked to pay for purchases at the till and spend a good five minutes trawling through their bags looking for a means of payment And after they spend another 5 minutes organizing the change and receipt into their purse, then finding the right compartment in their handbag to put it in, without moving out of the way. Stupid inconsiderate bitches imo as a radical feminist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Today at work, a woman overheard one guy calling one of his male colleague's "a big lesbo" and she made a complaint. The 2nd guy's surname is Nesbitt, so the 1st guy said he was calling him Nesbo. It was all a bit unpleasant but now everyone thinks she's a horrible grass and a nosy cow. Woman, eh? She wears a poppy btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Aye, she bit as he expected. Job done. He doesn't give a shit the issues he raised though whereas she is actually trying to get something done about them, especially in the area of mental health. He's been trying to get the minimum wage lowered for the mentally ill and disabled, a fact which MIND protested about. What evidence do you have to back this up? or that he was trolling? I am not sure why you consider it a bad thing he brought it up I am not sure if you know how parliament works (or doesn't) but all the business doesn't get done in the chamber, you can't just turn up on the day, stick your hand up and talk about anything, there is a process that he is following, the fact he has done this so close to the date of the little known world mens day suggests it was rushed and he was trying to fit it in to an available meeting he was given an opportunity to speak at. I would suggest watching the recent documentary on how Westminster operates on a daily basis, on how a lot of backbench MPs are all free thinking individuals who came in to politics for the right reason and do good work despite their front bench MPs looking like complete arses and by association everyone in the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 What evidence do you have to back this up? or that he was trolling? Oh aye, he's awfully concerned about young men in difficult situations and raised the whole thing "In the spirit of gender equality". Fucking troll. How Philip Davies voted on Welfare and Benefits # Consistently voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax") Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices Consistently voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support Consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits Almost always voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed How Philip Davies voted on Taxation and Employment # Consistently voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000 Almost always voted against a banker’s bonus tax Almost always voted against an annual tax on the value of expensive homes (popularly known as a mansion tax) How Philip Davies voted on Education # Consistently voted for ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education How Philip Davies voted on Social Issues # Consistently voted against equal gay rights Consistently voted against allowing marriage between two people of same sex Generally voted against laws to promote equality and human rights http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11816/philip_davies/shipley/votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Big Nesbo the Lesbo? Great kids cartoon that, S4C, early eighties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Oh aye, he's awfully concerned about young men in difficult situations and raised the whole thing "In the spirit of gender equality". Fucking troll. http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11816/philip_davies/shipley/votes Voting with party policy is a separate thing from what he is doing here, this isn't any parties policy and people like you trying to shout him down as a troll, is trivializing the issues he raised. I get it, people think Torys are evil and in most cases they are but you have to take every issue on its moral merit rather than whitewashing everything they say as elitist Preventative measures like encouraging men to talk about their mental health or to seek help for depression and even getting men to realize that telling your mates to "man up" when they are at a vulnerable moment isn't a good thing saves public money by hopefully stopping issues before they need treatment. Early detection of cancer can lead to a quicker recovery and a higher chance of survival, all these things are relevant to what he was saying but all that has come out of it is he is a tory troll? these things are never going to get better when they are derided by people like you who don't think they are as important as branding a political figure as a troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Preventative measures like encouraging men to talk about their mental health or to seek help for depression and even getting men to realize that telling your mates to "man up" when they are at a vulnerable moment isn't a good thing saves public money by hopefully stopping issues before they need treatment. Show me where he's ever discussed or campaigned for this. By the way far from slavishly following the party line he's voted against his party more than any other Tory MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34710261 New British passport is also sexist. The government has been accused of sexism over the new UK passport design, which includes two famous women to seven men. The new passport focuses on UK figures and landmarks from the past 500 years. Architect Elisabeth Scott and mathematician Ada Lovelace are the only women to feature in the redesign. Government officials defended the design, but Labour's shadow employment secretary Emily Thornberry told the BBC it was "exasperating". MP Stella Creasy also criticised the redesign, while gender equality campaign group the Fawcett Society accused the government of "airbrushing" women out of history. Minister for Immigration James Brokenshire launched the new passport at Shakespeare's Globe theatre in London, along with representatives from the Passport Office. The theme for the new 37-page passport is "Creative United Kingdom", and a portrait of Shakespeare is used for the security watermark on each page. The document also highlights the Rocket locomotive, the Angel of the North and Edinburgh Castle among other historic people, places, events and achievements. The design was criticised by Ms Thornberry, who tweeted: "Here we go again - new UK passport has 7 men featured and just 2 women. We exist." Speaking to the BBC, she said: "This is an opportunity to celebrate the achievements of women as well. We have had this fight about bank notes and now it's about passports. "I just feel as though we are here all over again." MP Stella Creasy also criticised the selection, asking her Twitter followers to send the Home Office their suggestions of female inclusions such as Barbara Hepworth, Virginia Woolf and Beatrix Potter. "Come on Twitter, let's help the Home Office out as they clearly don't know the UK's women creatives," she said. Sam Smethers, chief executive of the Fawcett Society, said the move was "completely unacceptable". "Instead of being celebrated and remembered, great British women are being airbrushed out of history. "They could have included the first feminist and writer Mary Wollstonecraft, Elizabeth Garrett Anderson, Virginia Woolf, Bridget Riley - the list is endless," she said. Mark Thomson, director general of the Passport Office, defended the design. "It wasn't something where we said 'let's set out to only have two women'", he said. "In trying to celebrate the UK's creativity we tried to get a range of locations and things around the country to celebrate our triumphs over the years, so there we are." Asked about the omission of female icons such as Jane Austen and the Bronte sisters, he said: "Whenever we do these things there is always someone who wants their favourite rock band or icon in the book. "We've got 16 pages, a very finite space. We like to feel we've got a good representative view celebrating some real icons of the UK - Shakespeare, Constable and of course Elisabeth Scott herself." The decision to include two women and seven men was signed off by ministers, and the figures included were a "good representation" of artists and designers, he added. More secureMr Brokenshire said the new passport design was "the most secure that the UK has ever issued" thanks to advanced printing technology with UV and infrared light, inks and watermarks. "The UK passport has an international reputation as a trusted and secure travel document, and we work tirelessly to stay one step ahead of the criminals who attempt to abuse the UK's immigration laws," he said. A new passport is launched in the UK every five years. Work on the new design was started more than two years ago as part of a 10 year, £400m contract. The new passport is due to be rolled out in phases, starting in December 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Show me where he's ever discussed or campaigned for this. By the way far from slavishly following the party line he's voted against his party more than any other Tory MP. Watch the video, hes given about 2min of interrupted time to put forward a proposal to allocate time to discuss Mens shorter life expectancy Mens health issues and the embarrassment of reporting them High suicide rate Violence against men, again not reported through embarrassment Underachievement in education Potentially unfair child custody policy Raising this, here is how campaigns are started, which I tried to explain to you a few posts back, he is opening the discussion only to be branded as a troll, he even says in the course of this, some people may or may not agree with me but I fee it should be debated.... What debate have these issues had since he raised them? none, how much time has been devoted to ridiculing him since then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Watch the video, hes given about 2min of interrupted time to put forward a proposal to allocate time to discuss Mens shorter life expectancy Mens health issues and the embarrassment of reporting them High suicide rate Violence against men, again not reported through embarrassment Underachievement in education Potentially unfair child custody policy Raising this, here is how campaigns are started, which I tried to explain to you a few posts back, he is opening the discussion only to be branded as a troll, he even says in the course of this, some people may or may not agree with me but I fee it should be debated.... What debate have these issues had since he raised them? none, how much time has been devoted to ridiculing him since then? Why is he at such pains to frame it as gender equality rather than discuss a perfectly valid idea on its own merits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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