Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I am perfectly aware seeing I live in Dundee - it's just gutless abstaining - as for not proposing an alternative budget - that is ridiculous. If you think that is acting like a proper opposition then clearly you are even more deluded than I thought you were. Kevin Keenan's gutless grandstanding was hilarious. A fat lazy b*****d who has all but given up and will happily trouser his salary until he's fucked into the scrapheap. A bit like SLAB really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Whether or not there is any point in labour proposing budget alternatives is irrelevant. It's what the useless b*****ds are paid to do. Lab dems and Tories with one councillor each managed to do it. It's a complete abdication of responsibility to their members and voters and to people who would want to have a debate about how the cuts are managed. The SNP don't come up with these plans for where the cuts are, it's not ideological. They are advised by council officers. If Labour can come up with alternatives I know for a fact they would be looked at on their merits. As it was it was left up to the unions and church groups to make deputations and have that debate. labour in Dundee nowhere to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I am perfectly aware seeing I live in Dundee - it's just gutless abstaining ^^^ Spoilt his vote in the Indy Ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Got an election leaflet through from Labour - the very first words on it are 'The SNP'. Don't get me wrong, of course an opposition should be criticising the government, it's what they're there for, but how hard is it for them to comprehend that in an election campaign they need to emphasise what Labour would do rather than what the SNP aren't doing? Set out your own policy proposals and explain what positive changes would result then criticise the government of the day, referring back to your own established proposals in your criticisms. You can't win people back by saying 'The SNP are shit and have made a mess of everything. Vote Labour.' without actually providing any depth on what you'd do differently. The 1p Income Tax raise is already heading into APD territory, throwing it about in relation to every policy to the extent that they'll have it spent 100 times. State what it'd raise and exactly what you'd do with it that the SNP aren't able to fix it because they're choosing not to raise it. That might actually get people listening, otherwise they're going to continue the slide into the abyss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 GMB guy, Gary Smith, on Sunday Politics is a fucking walloper. His arguments: 1. Scottish politicians need to STFU about big boy issues that don't concern a shitty wee pretendy country. 2. Ma boays' jobs are more important than any other c***s'. 3. You can have your principles, but only if you're a middle-class coffee-drinker. We British socialists are the ones that matter. 4. f**k the arts. Away wae yer "crayons and paper" - real men have real jobs like assembling nuclear weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Is Gary Smith in the "Walk". Effin crackpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 GMB guy, Gary Smith, on Sunday Politics is a fucking walloper. His arguments: 1. Scottish politicians need to STFU about big boy issues that don't concern a shitty wee pretendy country. 2. Ma boays' jobs are more important than any other c***s'. 3. You can have your principles, but only if you're a middle-class coffee-drinker. We British socialists are the ones that matter. 4. f**k the arts. Away wae yer "crayons and paper" - real men have real jobs like assembling nuclear weapons. Not got much time for Union representatives on tv normally. Thought he highlighted labour hypocrisy and shortcomings of the current Scottish government very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Not got much time for Union representatives on tv normally. Thought he highlighted labour hypocrisy and shortcomings of the current Scottish government very well. I thought he came across like the worst kind of Scottish-cringing knuckle dragger. He was there to argue for the jobs of the people he represents, but instead of doing that in a reasonable way, he just seemed like a narrow-minded, intolerant whack-job. Rather than sympathise with the concerns of nuclear technicians and submarine-workers, I came away from his interview thinking, "f**k your jobs, you arrogant tosser." Generally, rubbishing other people (and your countrymen's right to discuss things that are over their daft wee heads) isn't a way to get people on side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 ^^^ Spoilt his vote in the Indy Ref. Difference is that I'm not an elected politician - they are and are meant to act as an opposition - proposing alternatives not sitting on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 It's quite amusing how absolutely seething some Britnats are about the SNP failing to fall into the trap of raising taxes. It would fit nicely into their 'too poor/Scotland are subsidised' narrative and potentially allow the other joke branch offices back into the game. There was of course an opportunity to create an exciting new political landscape quite different from the one party state (LOL) we now have but the likes of you decided you wanted it this way with the big decisions of our country being decided by whether the racists of middle England want Tory or Tory-lite. So you only have yourself to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSquid Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 The 'racists of middle England' Can you explain that please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 The 'racists of middle England' Can you explain that please? Buy a Daily Mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Medeiros Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 How does choosing to divert money from councils into health, equal an austerity budget ? Absolute nonsense. Of course by the times the debates happen Nicola will have highlighted plans to increase only the top bracket via the Smith powers, and absolutely trump Kezia regressive tax plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Got an election leaflet through from Labour - the very first words on it are 'The SNP'. It's an improvement from 'now that the Tories are back' and not mentioning the SNP at all I suppose, a la Iain Gray's 2011 manifesto. Baby steps and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The 'racists of middle England' Can you explain that please? Absolutely. People who 'have concerns over immigration' or want the Government to 'get tough on immigration' are generally racists. Given that the Tories and the Red Tories devote so much time to competing over who can show they are the toughest on immigration suggests to me that they think this is an important issue for a large enough number of people in marginal constituencies. Therefore, given the UK government is generally chosen by who can win these constituencies, I conclude that a number of these people are racists. But I suspect you knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSquid Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Absolutely. People who 'have concerns over immigration' or want the Government to 'get tough on immigration' are generally racists. Given that the Tories and the Red Tories devote so much time to competing over who can show they are the toughest on immigration suggests to me that they think this is an important issue for a large enough number of people in marginal constituencies. Therefore, given the UK government is generally chosen by who can win these constituencies, I conclude that a number of these people are racists. But I suspect you knew that. Wow... What a post. Can you perhaps quantify for me how many middle Englanders are racists? This is fascinating stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Wow... What a post. Can you perhaps quantify for me how many middle Englanders are racists? This is fascinating stuff. I think middle-England as a term refers to a person with a certain worldview and political outlook. Hence, a bit like saying how many xenophobes are xenophobic. Stand to be corrected though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSquid Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I think middle-England as a term refers to a person with a certain worldview and political outlook. Hence, a bit like saying how many xenophobes are xenophobic. Stand to be corrected though. No, middle England refers to a very particular part of the UK. Given he or she is specifically using the term in conjunction with marginal constituencies. The claim that concerns about immigration = racists is an interesting one also. We must have a hell of a lot of racists in Scotland given a recent poll had 49% respondents believing immigration should be reduced. The exact same percentage as the rest of the UK interestingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Wow... What a post. Can you perhaps quantify for me how many middle Englanders are racists? This is fascinating stuff. No, middle England refers to a very particular part of the UK. Given he or she is specifically using the term in conjunction with marginal constituencies. The claim that concerns about immigration = racists is an interesting one also. We must have a hell of a lot of racists in Scotland given a recent poll had 49% respondents believing immigration should be reduced. The exact same percentage as the rest of the UK interestingly. Check out Scotsquid grandstanding as if people give a monkey's. You keep telling yourself Scotland is as racist as middle England. You might get something back from the echo chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Wow... What a post. Can you perhaps quantify for me how many middle Englanders are racists? This is fascinating stuff. No I don't know exactly how many. Well done on avoiding the main point I was making though, namely that people like you are happy for your nation to have major political decisions made by a Government chosen by another nation while whinging about a situation you had the opportunity to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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