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4 minutes ago, jupe1407 said:

I don't. They and their voters are utter vermin. However even after a Yes vote, and the break up of the SNP, it would take an enormous surge in their support for them to gain enough of a majority to form the Scottish Government. 

Do you think the SNP would  break up?

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19 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said:

Where's The Kincardine when you need him?

Opening his second bottle?

As has already been mentioned, a post Brexit Referendum would likely deny EU nationals living here the vote.  The Tories have recognised they could literally be the deciding factor.

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Sturgeon bangs on about how May was not elected. She was. She won her constituency and was elected MP. That she wasn't elected to be Prime Minister is also a falsehood. As the winner of the election to be leader of the Tory Party, she became Prime Minister. Where does this idea come from that Britons elect their Prime Minister? Sturgeon wasn't elected to be FM, she only got that position as the head of the largest party. Voters at the last election voted for their preference not for Sturgeon. This is not the USA who vote for their leader.
Also Scotland's trade with the UK (ie England, Wales etc) is 4 times greater than that to the EU. 

Aye because if we were independent then it would be physically impossible to trade with ruk......that'll be why it's impossible to get guiness or bushmills in England!!
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Just now, kirkyblue2 said:

Do you think the SNP would  break up?

Not immediately after "Independence Day", as I think they'd need to hang around until a post-Indy GE could take place. A lot would depend on whether SLab decide to get rid of fucking morons like Dugdale and decide to be run competently. I think you'd probably see a coalition-type affair between whatever Labour become, whatever the rump SNP decides to call itself and the Greens. I'd be absolutely certain both parties would be enormously different in a post indy landscape. The Tories will likely sit around their current support levels, or just below. I can't see Labour losing many more voters to them. The SLab corpse in it's current form has almost been picked clean.

Again, no one will give a f**k about Willie Rennie and the LDs. 

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43 minutes ago, sfha said:

Sturgeon wasn't elected to be FM, she only got that position as the head of the largest party. 

She has been elected to be First Minister - twice, in fact: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30118626http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36300892

Nicola Sturgeon was the only candidate to succeed Alex Salmond as leader of the SNP in 2014, full in the knowledge that she would become head of the largest party in the Scottish Parliament and be elected as First Minister by then-MSPs. Also, unlike May, Sturgeon has - successfully - led her party to a national election victory: voters were well aware that they were electing their local MSP(s), but also very well aware that voting for the SNP in sufficient numbers would result in Nicola Sturgeon being re-elected by MSPs as First Minister. 

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Theresa May claiming Scots can't vote to leave a union without a concrete plan. It shouldn't be possible for someone to consistently play themselves so frequently. If this is the best Westminster can offer then we should be embarrassed we shat it once already.

Just like there was a concrete plan for Brexit . . .

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2 hours ago, sfha said:

Sturgeon bangs on about how May was not elected. She was. She won her constituency and was elected MP. That she wasn't elected to be Prime Minister is also a falsehood. As the winner of the election to be leader of the Tory Party, she became Prime Minister. Where does this idea come from that Britons elect their Prime Minister? Sturgeon wasn't elected to be FM, she only got that position as the head of the largest party. Voters at the last election voted for their preference not for Sturgeon. This is not the USA who vote for their leader.

Also Scotland's trade with the UK (ie England, Wales etc) is 4 times greater than that to the EU. 

Just catching up, so may have been answered. Have bolded the relevant points above.

May stood for election to be the leader of the conservative party, if I remember there was no final vote on this as Leadsom pulled out of the race. Effectively gifting May the PM position as the conservatives held the majority in the HoC.

Sturgeon as with all FMs had to win the vote in Holyrood to be put forward as their nominee for the position. Willie Rennie stood against her in this election. The monarch then appoints the FM. Technically she was elected to this position as there was a vote carried out.

Where does this figure come from? Virtually everyone agrees that this figure cannot be verified.

 

Language is like statistics, in so much that any viewpoint can be twisted to fit you point of view.

 

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