vikingTON Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Britain being in a two year limbo with a governing Tory party engaged in an internal civil war with itself over Europe is precisely the time to call a referendum, if that's the strategy that you are going to persist with. The conditions to hold one are not going to steadily improve from that - not least given that the SNP will eventually run out of steam and popularity in government. Either hold a referendum in the above circumstances; prepare an election manifesto for independence by vote of parliament if the Tories deny a referendum; or dial back to the long but surefire winner of seizing more powers for Holyrood at each and every election. Those are the only three credible options available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Time for Indy Ref 2. We will most likely end up a financial basket case, but UK plc is heading the same way. Might as well do it under our own shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Time for Indy Ref 2. We will most likely end up a financial basket case, but UK plc is heading the same way. Might as well do it under our own shite. Why will an independent Scotland most likely end up a financial basket case? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Time for Indy Ref 2. We will most likely end up a financial basket case, but UK plc is heading the same way. Might as well do it under our own shite. Usually the ones telling us we'll be a financial basket case are the ones trying to keep us in the union. That has to have you asking questions, especially if you cast your eyes around Europe and see all these nations, smaller than us, lacking our resources, doing so well – and with their people so happy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 21/03/2019 at 20:34, MixuFixit said: I'd vote for indy tomorrow but everything points to yes losing. It's not a particularly nice way of viewing things but biding time while the mostly unsympathetic elderly die off is probably just as effective at moving the vote as any number of social democratic initiatives of the SNP. That strategy is entirely dependent on Yes having a constant majority in the Scottish Parliament. Which it might not even have after the next Holyrood election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Why will an independent Scotland most likely end up a financial basket case?Don't feed the troll 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Time for Indy Ref 2. We will most likely end up a financial basket case, but UK plc is heading the same way. Might as well do it under our own shite. Based on what? What has you so convinced that Scotland would run itself just as poorly as the UK are? Is it the high spending? Because other countries in the world spend more than we do per head and they're not financial basket cases at all. That's because they have full management of the resources close to home. There's no reason that things would need to be just as bad or worse for Scotland outside the influence of London. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 That strategy is entirely dependent on Yes having a constant majority in the Scottish Parliament. Which it might not even have after the next Holyrood election. If Brexit didn’t happen then you’d actually have a point, given the SNP’s long-term stint in government. But that has completely overwhelmed any judgment of the SG’s record right now. What’s more, the Tory Britnat surge in the last vote will now be undone by their truly shambolic state and wildly unpopular pro-Brexit stance. Ruth will be wishing that she’d taken 36 months maternity leave instead as her act will be buried by the time of that election.Yoon voters will split themselves inefficiently between Labour and the stories while any Yes dissenters to the SNP will flow into the Greens and boost either party on the list anyway. The next election remains the SNP’s to lose and there’s no sign of that happening.Sturgeon does need to achieve some sort of progress on the independence cause during her probable decade of power though as those conditions won’t last too much longer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Nearly there lads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Jesus what do we have to do to prise Ian Murray out of that seat Edit: projections based on 100 people subsample, so bollocks.Ian Murray helped save Heart of Midlothian from going the way of Third Lanark or old Rangers He can drown kittens and he’s still one of the good guys as far as I’m concerned Other people may have different opinions. But I’m not a cat person 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 But I’m not a cat person 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) On 20/03/2019 at 18:26, John Lambies Doos said: Imagine c***s in Scotland saying 'Still Naw' after the utter clusterfuck of Brexit. Ingrained surfeit of servility. I know these guys. It will not amaze you how thick they are and which team they support Edited March 25, 2019 by Gaz FFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I see Tommy Sheridan and the SNP with yet another pointless rally in George Square. Was Braveheart shown yet again too? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Mintermind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Mintermind The Yes campaign [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Getting on with the day job Pt. 97 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Baxter Parp said: Getting on with the day job Pt. 97 There was a train delayed today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Getting on with the day job Pt. 97Why does it need to be estimated???????? Actual crime, recorded crime and now estimated crime. Pish!!!! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 8 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Getting on with the day job Pt. 97 Why does it need to be estimated???????? Actual crime, recorded crime and now estimated crime. Pish!!!! It includes an estimate of crime that goes unreported. It's something gammon-faced yoons have been long calling for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatif Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said: Getting on with the day job Pt. 97 Why does it need to be estimated???????? Actual crime, recorded crime and now estimated crime. Pish!!!! So we are looking at a graph of 3 estimates, Lower Estimate. Best Estimate and Upper estimate and nothing actually factual. You have no idea how crime is recorded and the steps being taken to avoid recording it and this can easily equate to the reduction in officers who are actually on the street. Rather than have an officer call on a victim, the victim is asked to phone in the crime, which costs the victim, or go along to the office if they can find one open. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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