When will indyref2 happen?

[The DA]

6 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

To give her her due that was a decent speech from Nippy.  She really does rehash the same old tropes, lies and half-truths exceptionally well.  What a pity she's up against Sarwar, Ross and Cole-Hamilton whose response was lamentably weak.  Nationalism is a suppurating pustule on the face of Scotland based on the nasty politics of identity and grievance and they need to address that issue rather than the limp response of 'wait until we're crisis-free'.

The bigger problem from today is that we're really not any further forward.  OK Nippy will 1. Ask for a S30 order then 2. Ask the SC if she can introduce an independence bill on the back of an advisory opinion poll.  Probably no to both.  So she'll then fight the next GE on a single issue.  Assuming she gets a result that shows a 'win' (however that is decided) for the Partitionists that will then take us back to the need for a S30 order.  So, really, it's they same old pish that is crippling Scotland going on and on.

Of course, the diseased boil of nationalism does need to be lanced.  Constantly saying 'no' to single-issue Anglophobes won't make the problem go away so Britain's government needs to do some combination of the following:

1. Break up Holyrood.  It's clearly not working as intended.  Pretty much everything in Scotland is worse than 15 years ago since the SNP have a single focus on Partition.  Furthermore, much of Scotland away from the central belt is as alienated from HR as the Partitionists are from WM.  We need a fresh approach to regional administration across the  nation.

2. Consider a whole-nation debate on Partition asking, something like "Should the 4 regions of Britain have the power to partition the country?"  If there's a yes to that then give Scotland a vote and make the outcome legally binding.

3. Grant a S30 order but recognise that Scotland isn't a social or political homogeneity.  Large parts of the country don't want to be held to ransom by boors, neds and Shinners in their squalid Yes Favelas.  Therefore, any future referendum should have options for the decent parts of Scotland to remain with the rest of us either as contiguous areas or as Crown Dependencies.  This is an honest approach and provides a real solution to a problem that Partitionists ignore:  Scexit will cause more difficulties than it solves.  This would give an option for some people in Scotland to escape from a Partitionist dystopia.

So lots of cogently-presented bluster from Nippy as you'd expect.  But it really didn't address the issue adequately.

You're making the mistake of conflating SNP policies and Independence.  Post-independence, we can whatever colour of politics we vote for.  If people still vote SNP in 2024/5 then you can be sure that's the will of the people.

[Dan Steele]

3 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

 I'm really struggling to see what arguments will be used.

Oh, I see the answer's already in

7 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

 Nationalism is a suppurating pustule on the face of Scotland based on the nasty politics of identity and grievance and they need to address that issue rather than the limp response of 'wait until we're crisis-free'.

Of course, the diseased boil of nationalism does need to be lanced.     

 

[craigkillie]

8 minutes ago, G51 said:

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act has been repealed. The Tories no longer need to hold an election by December 2024.

Equally, they could chuck Johnson and hold one very quickly, before Yes has even had the chance to make it's case.

I dunno. Like I said, a lot of ways this could play out.

The Fixed Term Parliaments act prevented a party from holding an early General Election. There is still a requirement to dissolve parliament within 5 years of the previous one starting, and to subsequently hold an election within 25 working days.

Edited June 28, 2022 by craigkillie

[Brother Blades]

1 hour ago, 101 said:

One day the people of Scotland will have its affairs run by the people of Scotland, FOR the people of Scotland, hopefully that is decided on the 19th October next year. 

FTFY. 

[The DA]

8 minutes ago, G51 said:

The Fixed Term Parliaments Act has been repealed. The Tories no longer need to hold an election by December 2024.

Equally, they could chuck Johnson and hold one very quickly, before Yes has even had the chance to make it's case.

I dunno. Like I said, a lot of ways this could play out.

Yes, they do.  the maximum term of a parliament is still 5 years but, after the repeal of the 2011 Act, the PM is now allowed to call one earlier again.

[Clown Job]

I’d rather take the risk of an independent Scotland running our own affairs than hope the Tories stop being Tories

[The DA]

Just now, The DA said:

Yes, they do.  the maximum term of a parliament is still 5 years but, after the repeal of the 2011 Act, the PM is now allowed to call one earlier again.

ETA; What craigkillie said.

[Brother Blades]

5 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

Oh, I see the answer's already in

 

Ah, it’s not a Section 30 we need, it’s a dermatologist!! 

[John Lambies Doos]

Bring it on....Independent by Christmas 2023. Yassssss!

[Zern]

1 minute ago, Clown Job said:

I’d rather take the risk of an independent Scotland running our own affairs than hope the Tories stop being Tories

Ain't that the truth.

[dirty dingus]

7 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said:

Oh, I see the answer's already in

 

He sounds like Stephen Daisley when he's missed breakfast.

[sparky88]

A massive gamble by Sturgeon that probably should only have been taken with Yes comfortably ahead in the polls. It might pay off, but probably not. 

[Brother Blades]

Pray for Kincardine.

He’s really going to get it in the neck from the members at the local golf club when he starts his evening shift collecting glasses.

”I see you sweaty socks are getting all uppity again!?!”

”Yes massa, sorry massa”

 

Almost feel sorry for the bigoted old c**t. 

[Dons_1988]

‘Yes favelas’ 

[Wee-Bey]

Thinking of that wee old lady that travels from Eyemouth to Berwick for her shopping at this difficult time.

[Bairnardo]

9 minutes ago, Ervin H Burrell said:

Thinking of that wee old lady that travels from Eyemouth to Berwick for her shopping at this difficult time.

too early to say which yoon klaxon will be loudest, but for sure "hArD bOrDeR!!!!!!!!!" will be up front

[Zern]

A border? In The Borders?

Inconceivable!

[G51]

A border, in the borders. Except it segregates the Borders from the rest of Scotland.

[MONKMAN]

It's about time we go a chance to vote, it's what the Scottish electorate clearly want having mandated our government on more than one occasion.  

As a left leaning, socially inclusive country, Scotland has no place in this world shackled to the right wing establishment of the UK. 

 

[itzdrk]

1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

If it does go down the General Election route, then the likeliest path to success is that Labour win the election but fall short of a majority (even including Lib Dem/Green), and therefore need the SNP's votes to prop them up as the government. The SNP's "election as referendum" tactic would make it easier for Labour to sell that to their supporters, and you'd see a timescale with fully approved referendum, probably carefully negotiated to give Labour a couple of years in power to consolidate things.

Here's a fun one, replace Labour with Tories there - do the SNP do it to secure the vote 

Edited June 28, 2022 by itzdrk