Granny Danger Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, TheScarf said: I see we’re still on the ‘we’d get no penshun!!!!’ shite. How do people who moved from the UK to Spain (Independent from the UK I believe?) get their pension? Who pays it? I have a hunch it might be the UK government? It’s pish and should be treated with the contempt it deserves rather than long, considered responses. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: So how come my sister is getting a UK pension in New Zealand, who are most definitely independent? Because NZ aren’t receiving contributions from UK citizens. The only country liable for your sister is UK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, TheScarf said: I see we’re still on the ‘we’d get no penshun!!!!’ shite. How do people who moved from the UK to Spain (Independent from the UK I believe?) get their pension? Who pays it? I have a hunch it might be the UK government? Yes- UK government . Totally different scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: It’s pish and should be treated with the contempt it deserves rather than long, considered responses. He's making some amount of hay out of this. No wonder he's like a dog with a bone. He hasn't even needed to bring up your Million Pound SIPP™ and Champagne Socialism® yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Yes- UK government . Totally different scenario. No it isn’t. Both Spain and Scotland would be independent from the UK and the UK government would pay both pensions out as the pensioner made their contributions to their UK pension. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, TheScarf said: No it it’s. Both Spain and Scotland would be independent from the UK. Absolutely, but the contributions were paid to the UK government which were immediately distributed for the benefit of all UK citizens on both sides of the border. Spanish people received no benefit from the contributions therefore they have no liability. Due by UK government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 K 5 minutes ago, BFTD said: He's making some amount of hay out of this. No wonder he's like a dog with a bone. He hasn't even needed to bring up your Million Pound SIPP™ and Champagne Socialism® yet. GD is just too thick to even try to understand. He’s better at abuse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Absolutely, but the contributions were paid to the UK government which were immediately distributed for the benefit of all UK citizens on both sides of the border. Spanish people received no benefit from the contributions therefore they have no liability. Due by UK government. That’s not how it works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 44 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Because NZ aren’t receiving contributions from UK citizens. The only country liable for your sister is UK. You're not making sense. She lives in New Zealand but previously paid NI in the UK, that's why she's entitled to a UK pension. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Why would NZ or Spanish citizens get any benefit from a Brit paying NI in the UK then moving there? That doesn’t make any sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Why would NZ or Spanish citizens get any benefit from a Brit paying NI in the UK then moving there? That doesn’t make any sense. A British citizen living abroad gets their pension from the UK albeit usually only at the rate when they started drawing it without increases. A Scottish citizen post independence has paid their contributions to the UK government which was used immediately for UK public expenditure. Their pension will be paid by the SG out of income received from ongoing Scottish taxpayers. Im done. Rather than asking questions, why not try answering them? Im happy to read your ideas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: A British citizen living abroad gets their pension from the UK albeit usually only at the rate when they started drawing it without increases. A Scottish citizen post independence has paid their contributions to the UK government which was used immediately for UK public expenditure. Their pension will be paid by the SG out of income received from ongoing Scottish taxpayers. Im done. Rather than asking questions, why not try answering them? Im happy to read your ideas. That’s not how it works. It’s been explained to you on here countless times and you’re choosing to ignore it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I know Westminster holds Scotland in total contempt but for a rUK to act in such bad faith as withholding pensions would be so incredibly stupid and further show the desperation and emptiness to the world that only an incompetent, petty, grudge holding, amateur government would even consider. Oh, wait. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 People taking the pension argument as good faith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 The last couple of pages: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I fail to see how they can avoid paying out to all us dual nationals who will be happily retired in free Scotland. Maybe they will they introduce legislation ensuring a continued pay out to those living in every other country on Earth....... barring Scotland Thankfully that scenario is laughable pish. It has has already been sensibly discounted by UK civil servants and Tory gov pension ministers. As the assumed UK successor state, future pensions based on current contributions are an rUK liability. There is no escaping that. I would suggest that rUK will remain liable for the NI, civil, MOD etc pension contributions made by people in Scotland up until independence with iScotland taking up the slack thereafter. Therefore if you currently receive a UK pension you will stay an that pension (albeit Scotgov may top it up to bring it more in to line with more civilized European nations). Any contributions from those still working up until independence are a UK liability. Any contributions thereafter will go to Scotgov and become a Scottish liability. It is really not difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 The UK pension is amongst the worst in Europe, get it to f**k and replaced with a decent fair settlement. Introduce UBI. The UK is a fucking shit show. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 The state pension's getting wound up anyway, lads. I wouldn't worry about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, BFTD said: The state pension's getting wound up anyway, lads. I wouldn't worry about it. You reckon? We’ve got til next year to pay our NI stamp up - haven’t done since 2013 - and I’m really swuthering on whether to do it. No plans to come back to the UK, would consider Scotland if independent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 hours ago, BFTD said: The state pension's getting wound up anyway, lads. I wouldn't worry about it. I can already foresee a Tory plan to encourage retired people to work to receive the pension in the near future 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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