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8 minutes ago, AyrExile said:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16142178.Mhairi_Black__I_hated_SNP_s_White_Paper_and_told_people_to_ignore_it/

Happy to ride on the Westminster gravy train and gamble on Scotland’s future knowing the plan was a crock of shit. As a politician she will go far 

She was elected after the referendum so how is she gambling with Scotland’s future from a paper she presumably had no part in writing.

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15 minutes ago, Rodhull said:

She was elected after the referendum so how is she gambling with Scotland’s future from a paper she presumably had no part in writing.

She didn’t believe the plan but still voted Yes hoping it would all come good. No doubt would have been heavily involved campaigning and encouraging others to do likewise

 

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7 minutes ago, AyrExile said:

She didn’t believe the plan but still voted Yes hoping it would all come good.

Compared to staying in the Union, getting ruled by Tories and getting dragged out of the EU, she made the right call imo.

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1 hour ago, AyrExile said:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/16142178.Mhairi_Black__I_hated_SNP_s_White_Paper_and_told_people_to_ignore_it/

Happy to ride on the Westminster gravy train and gamble on Scotland’s future knowing the plan was a crock of shit. As a politician she will go far 

Did you actually listen to her talk or the Q&A session after her talk where that specific not-quite-verbatim quote is taken from? 

The full verbatim quote was "I'm actually not kidding on. I hated the White Paper. I remember going round and saying to folk - ignore it! The point is that it can be totally different and  that's what I think we have to offer people. We have to be able to say to folk  'Look! It's not gonna be this union diet, you know like Diet Coke, onwards. It's going to be different. This is the point of us having powers- that we're able to decide what direction we go in"

Hardly the same as the implcation as in the Herald, is it?

Personally, I also disliked parts of the White Paper - as a beliver in a Scottish republic, I'm hardly likely to support the bit where it said we should  retain the monarchy. Does that mean that I believe that the independence plan is a 'crock of shit' too?

I also note that the Herald somehow managed to miss the main part of the talk where Mhairi set out her views on the archaic practices in Westminster, where 650 MP's (on £70K salaries) can be sitting around for hours to decide whether or not here are 20 people in the chamber when there are obviously hundreds of them present.

Apparently, if one of them chooses to pretend to believe that there are fewer people there, it must go to a formal vote. This charade is further drawn out if someone (usually a Tory, apparently) refuses to leave the voting lobbies after the vote. Apparently, the Speaker has to send someone in to chase him out with a sword. Obviously this cuts into the already limited time for debate.

Can I remind everyone that the Unionists  have the cheek to hold this up as an example of a modern democracy?

If anyone is interested in seeing what was actually said, look here. Mhairi starts her talk at just after 00:33;30  and the "I hate the white paper" section starts at 01:43:45

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3 hours ago, AyrExile said:

She didn’t believe the plan but still voted Yes hoping it would all come good. No doubt would have been heavily involved campaigning and encouraging others to do likewise

 

Yeah because as others have said Independence wouldnt have just lasted for 4 years until the next election. I imagine plenty of people voted yes and no completely unaware of at least 90% of what was contained in the white paper. It was in no way a rigid document setting out the only possible vision for the future and it’d be ludicrous to pretend it was.

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Yes, it’s working absolutely fine.

In particular how is that ‘The only way to stay in the EU is vote no’ promise made by Cameron looking?
How is the ‘Only way to protect Scottish Fisheries and Farming is to vote no argument’?
‘Only way to stop a hard border between UK constituent states is to vote no’ hows that working out?
Good to see the pound and economy going strong.
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