Fide Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 55% didn't "fall for it" many simply didn't and don't want it. I doubt support for independence will ever seriously exceed around 60% as there's too many entrenched interests both on a collective and an individual level for it to happen. The Yes campaign arguably won the campaign among the lower classes (who definitely need it the most judging by Westminster's war on the poor) but completely failed to win over the largely comfortable middle classes which is an admittedly far more difficult task. They, in their own heads at least, have more at risk and subsequently more to lose. It's going to be difficult to convince them to take what's essentially a dive into the unknown. As it stands I can't see them changing their mind unless things get much shitter for them at Westminster which tbf is completely possible. Which was largely the crux of my point – the No vote consisted primarily of the craven and the selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Bit of a bizarre thread but yes, they are diminishing ever so slowly and will continue to do so. I keep hearing that pensioners are living longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 55% didn't "fall for it" many simply didn't and don't want it. I doubt support for independence will ever seriously exceed around 60% as there's too many entrenched interests both on a collective and an individual level for it to happen. The Yes campaign arguably won the campaign among the lower classes (who definitely need it the most judging by Westminster's war on the poor) but completely failed to win over the largely comfortable middle classes which is an admittedly far more difficult task. They, in their own heads at least, have more at risk and subsequently more to lose. It's going to be difficult to convince them to take what's essentially a dive into the unknown. As it stands I can't see them changing their mind unless things get much shitter for them at Westminster which tbf is completely possible. Me and a mate were talking about this the other day. We won't see a change unless the middle classes have something to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Me and a mate were talking about this the other day. We won't see a change unless the middle classes have something to lose. Or until they develop a conscience/ basic human empathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Or until they develop a conscience/ basic human empathy.fucking hell you'll be disappointed with independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashman Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 In numbers or dimensions ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 fucking hell you'll be disappointed with independence. I can assure you I won't. I shall be quite cockahoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 How's it looking on Facebook though? The OP was convinced that YES would win last September, let's remember... and then vanished for a few days after the result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 How's it looking on Facebook though? The OP was convinced that YES would win last September, let's remember... and then vanished for a few days after the result You see folks, this is the sort of worm that turns my stomach. He saw the facts, he saw the information, and yet he voted against the best interests of his nation. A spineless weakling, who really should be reminded over and over again What He Did. I remember when Unionist St. Mirren fans were legion. Their grey dismal ranks would line up 20 deep to sing the glorious praises of Britain. Their mantra? A chanted "too wee, too poor, too stupid". Mighty were the battles we faced to overcome their shouted mantra. But now, times have changed. The smart and the shameful have slunk off, and all that is left are the weak, the stupid, and the foolish. We must never falter, until their embarrassing traces have been purged, and their voices stamped on and silenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share Posted July 24, 2015 How's it looking on Facebook though? The OP was convinced that YES would win last September, let's remember... and then vanished for a few days after the result Lex The Oxymoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Lex The Oxymoron You're half right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share Posted July 24, 2015 You're half right. He is a Scottish Nawbag thus an oxymoron. Yet I take your point about him being a moron also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Voting for your own interests is a perfectly valid way on which to base your vote. It's not something I would ever do, but I understand completely if someone wishes to do that and dribbling simpletons like Confi demonising people for that choice doesn't help the cause to be honest. In an election, perhaps. Not in something as large as a national referendum, however, that will affect generations and generations. But hey, thanks for the insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Voting for your own interests is a perfectly valid way on which to base your vote. It's not something I would ever do, but I understand completely if someone wishes to do that and dribbling simpletons like Confi demonising people for that choice doesn't help the cause to be honest. Without wanting to sound too arrogant, I would not class myself as a dribbling simpleton, and I would definitely 100% demonise people for picking their own immediate selfish interests before the interests of their country. We kept being told, even by mewling Unionists "its a big thing, its forever, so much to think about, no going back" etc. It was about the entire future of Scotland. And if anyone decided to vote no based on their own selfish interests, based on their current situation right now, without considering the sweep of the past, present, and future, then yes. They deserve to be demonised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I left the country with a broken heart. As a counterpoint, many hearts were gladdened when you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Half Rice Half Chips Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I hate the "soft" nos more than the hardline unionists. At least with the hardliners you know where you stand with them, they'll always vote no. The "I really wish I had voted yes" brigade boil my pish. If there ever was another ref they'd tell you again and again they'd vote yes and then shit the floor at the last minute and vote no. Cannot be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Demonising people for not voting "in the interests of their country" sounds fascist tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Demonising people for not voting "in the interests of their country" sounds fascist tbh. Hence the toys out of the pram for the 44.7. There is s disturbingly intolerant streak through some (not all) of our resident nats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Hence the toys out of the pram for the 44.7. There is s disturbingly intolerant streak through some (not all) of our resident nats. And yet ALL the Court cases for physical attacks relating to the referendum were against Unionists. Funny that, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 And yet ALL the Court cases for physical attacks relating to the referendum were against Unionists. Funny that, isn't it? Its weird as hell. Remember the night after the referendum. A ton of marches, parades and protests in advance by the Yes side, 0 arrests. Then we had the "celebration" in George square... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.