xbl. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 to be honest, the whole premise of a yes vote benefitting the less well off is deeply flawed. Really? Well we have pretty fucking solid evidence that a no vote is not benefitting the less well off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Really? Well we have pretty fucking solid evidence that a no vote is not benefitting the less well off.the union hasn't caused that the Tories have. It's an argument for a different voting system, not to have an independent country that may or may not introduce austerity measures anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 the union hasn't caused that the Tories have. It's an argument for a different voting system, not to have an independent country that may or may not introduce austerity measures anyway. So independence may or may not be worse, and thats independence, but the union is definitely worse, but thats not the union. Do you even realise how pathetic that sounds??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 So independence may or may not be worse, and thats independence, but the union is definitely worse, but thats not the union. Do you even realise how pathetic that sounds??? Its only pathetic if you genuinely think independence will rid Scotland of poverty, when it simply won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Its only pathetic if you genuinely think independence will rid Scotland of poverty, when it simply won't. It won't. What it will do is give absolute control over our future destiny via Holyrood. Scottish people deciding what's best for Scotland, in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share Posted July 24, 2015 It won't. What it will do is give absolute control over our future destiny via Holyrood. Scottish people deciding what's best for Scotland, in Scotland. ^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl. Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Its only pathetic if you genuinely think independence will rid Scotland of poverty, when it simply won't. Well we have concrete and solid evidence that the union is increasing poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Not sure where to put this, but I see David Mundell was chased out of Dumfries today, an area that massively voted no, and also voted Tory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Tryfield-esque thread, in fairness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Not sure where to put this, but I see David Mundell was chased out of Dumfries today, an area that massively voted no, and also voted Tory? So you think that the protestors were local Tory-voting Unionists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Where does the 70-30 youth support for Yes figure come from? I've no doubt among the subculture I would say I'm a part of it's overwhelmingly Yes voting but there are a hell of a lot of young working class or lower middle tories who moan about "dole scum" or whatever. I would say at a push it's about 60-40 if we're rounding up in 10s though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Not sure where to put this, but I see David Mundell was chased out of Dumfries today, an area that massively voted no, and also voted Tory? Mundell's support surely doesn't come from the town of Dumfries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Where does the 70-30 youth support for Yes figure come from? I've no doubt among the subculture I would say I'm a part of it's overwhelmingly Yes voting but there are a hell of a lot of young working class or lower middle tories who moan about "dole scum" or whatever. I would say at a push it's about 60-40 if we're rounding up in 10s though. The Ashcroft report, specifically in relation to the 16-17 olds enfranchised for the first time in the referendum. Oddly, there then follows a slight edge to No among the 18-24 year olds before a return to a 60-40 split in favour of Yes for 25-34 year olds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 The Ashcroft report, specifically in relation to the 16-17 olds enfranchised for the first time in the referendum. Oddly, there then follows a slight edge to No among the 18-24 year olds before a return to a 60-40 split in favour of Yes for 25-34 year olds. Weren't the numbers surveyed by Ashcroft for that group quite small? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Weren't the numbers surveyed by Ashcroft for that group quite small? There were two big polls done after the referendum. I think the 16-17 group was very small in the Ashcroft one. I've hunted for them before, I think the other was YouGov. Between then I'm sure they more or less backed up what Hillonearth says and I think the YouGov one at least was pretty big (maybe 3,000 overall). Although, the 16-17 samples are always going to have the highest margins of error because they're by far the smallest group of people. I'm not sure if rUK students made a big difference overall. Certainly in localised areas, I'm sure they boosted the No vote hugely in the younger age ranges. Probably a decent shout for why the 18-24 group was more No than the other younger ranges. I'm not surprised the late 20s/early 30s group was the most pro-Yes. That's my age group and Yes won it massively among people I know that age. It was slightly surprising that Yes was sneaking ahead or at least keeping level all the way up to 55. Hugely encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Found the raw results - 14 people aged 16-17 surveyed - not exactly statistically significant. http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/LORD-ASHCROFT-POLLS-Post-referendum-poll-tables-Sept-2014.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Not sure where to put this, but I see David Mundell was chased out of Dumfries today, an area that massively voted no, and also voted Tory? Almost all of the town of Dumfries is not in Mundell's constituency, and voted SNP. Mundell's constituency is the more rural 'tory farmers' one to the east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Not sure where to put this, but I see David Mundell was chased out of Dumfries today, an area that massively voted no, and also voted Tory?I'm not sure a few folk out of an electorate of 60000 can be indicative of anything tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR96 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I don't think I've ever come across a single person who voted No and regretted it. Then again, my age demographic was predominately Yes and I come from an area that voted Yes so I never really came across a great deal of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 A century from now we will be a union. Keep telling yourself that chum. I want your face to have the look of disbelief when independence innevitably happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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