parsforlife Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 If we assume they could use the ground, and it will be cheaper to rent than ochilview, then I have a few questions. If grangemouth is LL suitable but not spfl suitable then can shire reasonably install/upgrade floodlights to meet spfl standards? If not then whats the plan to be spfl ready should promotion be achieved? Go back to stenny ? Is potentially flip-floping between grounds every few years based on league acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 It has floodlights, but I don't know if they're compliant or not... due to Junior rules preventing matches by artificial light, I can't ever recall Falkirk Juniors playing a midweek game under them. They do not look particularly powerful in these shots, certainly: http://nonleaguescotland.org.uk/falkirk.htm Floodlights aren't currently required in LL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhliston Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 If we assume they could use the ground, and it will be cheaper to rent than ochilview, then I have a few questions. If grangemouth is LL suitable but not spfl suitable then can shire reasonably install/upgrade floodlights to meet spfl standards? If not then whats the plan to be spfl ready should promotion be achieved? Go back to stenny ? Is potentially flip-floping between grounds every few years based on league acceptable? Had a quick glance at Falkirk Council website re stadium, the football pitch is floodlight and their is a Stand capable of holding 1,500 people more than at present at Ochilview. Would expect it to be of SPFL standard as they have held international athletics meeting their in the past. Clearly if the Shire began using it for Lowland League games I would expect them to have to accommodate the Athletics especially during the summer months but no real problems. Expect if the worst happened to the Shire move to Grangemouth and probably stay their, can't see them going back to Ochilview unless the Stadium is not up to SPFL standards which I doubt considering some of the dumps out their like Alloa, Cowdenbeath and even Ochilview imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Perhaps also worth touching base again with the proposals to reorganise the Highland League - which elicited some comment a few weeks and pages ago. You'll recall plans were being mooted to replace the current 18-team HL with 2 divisions of 10 - although 10 & 9 was mooted - playing each other three times for 27 league games. Possibly with some rejigging of their League Cup and/or reintroduction of a North Challenge Cup at the end of the season. Anyway the Northern Scot newspaper apparently reports today a revived version of the "Stables Plan" is now upon the table... It involves 2 divisions of 10 as well, but arranged as follows: http://fitbanorth.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5881&p=590513#p590498 http://fitbanorth.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5881&p=590513#p590508 * clubs only play each other twice for 18 league games * HL would begin on September 17th and end on February 25th * Title Playoffs ahead of Pyramid Playoffs * sectional League Cup at the start of the season, and either sectional or knockout (unclear) North Challenge Cup at the end of the season EDIT: It appears to tally with something Buckie put out a fortnight ago: http://fitbanorth.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5881&start=380#p588666 IF the split happens, then teams will play each other twice, home and away. There will also be the playoff for the championship between the top 4 teams, an additional 6 games OR there will be the playoffs for promotion/relegation.* In addition, the League Cup will initially be in a group format of 6 games followed by up to 3 additional gamed if you qualify for the quarter/semi/final.* There will also be the introduction of a Challenge Cup at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 If it's cheaper and meets spfl standards (for the bottoms two tiers at least, doubt shire have any real concerns about meeting championship standards) currently, then why not move at the end of season regardless of league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Perhaps also worth touching base again with the proposals to reorganise the Highland League - which elicited some comment a few weeks and pages ago. You'll recall plans were being mooted to replace the current 18-team HL with 2 divisions of 10 - although 10 & 9 was mooted - playing each other three times for 27 league games. Possibly with some rejigging of their League Cup and/or reintroduction of a North Challenge Cup at the end of the season. Anyway the Northern Scot newspaper apparently reports today a revived version of the "Stables Plan" is now upon the table... It involves 2 divisions of 10 as well, but arranged as follows: http://fitbanorth.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5881&p=590513#p590498 http://fitbanorth.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5881&p=590513#p590508 * clubs only play each other twice for 18 league games * HL would begin on September 17th and end on February 25th * Title Playoffs ahead of Pyramid Playoffs * sectional League Cup at the start of the season, and either sectional or knockout (unclear) North Challenge Cup at the end of the season That's a horrible horrible proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 It raises another question(im full of them today) given spfl clubs would find it intolerable to play in such a system, in the pyramid system as a whole what influence t Do leagues above and below any particular level have over its structure? Presuming that isn't alot what checks are in place to ensure a league runs in a fashion that others in the pyramid would be satisfied with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 It raises another question(im full of them today) given spfl clubs would find it intolerable to play in such a system, in the pyramid system as a whole what influence Do leagues above and below any particular level have over its structure? Presuming that isn't alot what checks are in place to ensure a league runs in a fashion that others in the pyramid would be satisfied with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhliston Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 If it's cheaper and meets spfl standards (for the bottoms two tiers at least, doubt shire have any real concerns about meeting championship standards) currently, then why not move at the end of season regardless of league. I would have thought that would be the solution to Shires problem not having a ground to call home, rather than lodge at Ochilview with Stenny. Also a wee bit closer to Shires former home at Firs Park might encourage more of their supporters to watch them their than go to Ochilview. Ball is clearly in the Shires court its up to them to decide if they want to move their or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Anyway the Northern Scot newspaper apparently reports today a revived version of the "Stables Plan" is now upon the table... It involves 2 divisions of 10 as well, but arranged as follows: * clubs only play each other twice for 18 league games * HL would begin on September 17th and end on February 25th * Title Playoffs ahead of Pyramid Playoffs * sectional League Cup at the start of the season, and either sectional or knockout (unclear) North Challenge Cup at the end of the season It raises another question(im full of them today) given spfl clubs would find it intolerable to play in such a system, in the pyramid system as a whole what influence tDo leagues above and below any particular level have over its structure? Presuming that isn't alot what checks are in place to ensure a league runs in a fashion that others in the pyramid would be satisfied with? Who knows. It's an interesting question, certainly. Obviously at the moment relegation from SPFL2 to HL would involve losing 1 home game (17 instead of 18); relegation to LL would involve losing 3 home games (15 instead of 18) but with the compensation of extra cup ties. This alternative HL model would involve losing 9 home games (9 instead of 18), infact it would exactly halve it. Though there would be all these cup ties and potentially title playoffs to partly make-up for it. Strange to think a relegated SPFL2 club could lose every knockout tie they played, but still play more cup-ties than league games, e.g.: 4 SPFL League Cup sectional ties 6 HL League Cup sectional ties + QF 1 Scottish Cup tie 1 Aberdeenshire/North of Scotland Cup tie 1 Aberdeenshire Shield tie (if entered) 6 North of Scotland Cup sectional ties + QF = 20-21 Highland League = 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Remember the SFA top man is the Cove Rangers chairman,apparently the top brass are well informed of all that is being proposed and defo seem to be in favour of two highland divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 2x10 leagues good (given how vast the gulf in quality evidently is) - 18 league games would be an unmitigated disaster though. There's surely no chance a national team dropping down could quickly adjust to that change - I doubt that their fans would view regional divisional cups as anything other than joke tournaments for several years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 This is just the latest in a long line of proposals,don't think it will win the day,more likely the playing each other 3 times a season,27 games and two leagues of ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 That's what I'd do... 27 league games, 3 LC sectional games (5 groups of 4) - 30 games. If desired play knockout North Challenge Cup off the season's end, like LL do with their League Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Smiles Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 For how long though? What does it matter? Brechin and Forfar are still in the division higher than the mighty (ha) Stirling Albion. And they always will be if your lot keep losing 0-6 at home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullyweehutch Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Oh the shire are on their way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Oh the shire are on their way! And could it be Formartine that the Shire come up against,another late winner today,this time at Turriff,though Cove won too.Brora could only draw 1-1 at home to Inverurie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Big wins too in the lowland league for Edinburgh City and Stirling Uni,it's all hotting up now as the season draws to a finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 19, 2016 Author Share Posted March 19, 2016 Annan 1-0 Berwick East Stirlingshire 2-4 Clyde Elgin 1-1 Montrose Queen's Park 2-1 Arbroath Brora 1-1 Inverurie Cove 5-0 Fort William Turriff 2-3 Formartine Gretna 0-3 Edinburgh City Threave 0-6 Stirling Uni Edinburgh City could win LL next Saturday if they win, Spartans lose and Stirling take fewer than 3pts from a double-header v BSCG this Wednesday & Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QPSAFalkirkFirm Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I would have thought that would be the solution to Shires problem not having a ground to call home, rather than lodge at Ochilview with Stenny. Also a wee bit closer to Shires former home at Firs Park might encourage more of their supporters to watch them their than go to Ochilview. Ball is clearly in the Shires court its up to them to decide if they want to move their or not. I seem to recall Shire had a good look at this venue some years ago but didn't pursue it or the Cooncil maybe made life hard for them. I know quite a few councillors and each and every one of them is a Falkirk supporter. Falkirk Council are a main contributor in the company that operates Falkirk Stadium, which sits within the Grangemouth town boundary. It's further away from their roots than Stenhousemuir, both in miles and culture. Can't imagine many Portonians attaching themselves to a Fawkirk team. Although it's quite literally across the road from the Little Kerse estate where the 'new' stadium plans still sit waiting on finance. That venture too was not in the name of The Shire; tenancy again. As a football venue it's soulless. Very open and windy and with a constant noise from the refinery across the road plus the distance between pitch and stand is ridiculous. When your on the pitch on the far side you won't hear what your coach is shouting at you. Maybe not all bad then;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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