BerwickMad Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Do the Lowland League not even publish fixtures for the full season? I'm sure most clubs in SPFL2 sell sponsorship deals ect, well in advance. Pretty poor if you don't even have a fixture list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Both LL & HL have full season fixturelists. However unlike SPFL they leave some weeks clear in the spring to catch-up postponed games. In LL that is pretty vital as 4 of the clubs still don't have floodlights. According to their websites LL left March 19th & 26th blank, plus Apr 2nd is a cup SF day so most clubs uninvolved. More fractured in HL who left Mar 5th and Mar 26th blank, plus Feb 27th (QF), Mar 12th (SF) and Apr 9th (Final) are cup dates: http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/The-Scottish-Lowland-Football-League-Season-2015-16-Fixture-List.pdf http://www.highlandfootballleague.com/News/Item/504_SHFL_Amended_2015-16_Fixtures.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Beat me too it HJ,yeah both the SHFL and SLFL have full fixture lists.League 2 teams need to stop the snobbery,both leagues are part of the pyramid and as such have to be reasonably professional,it's here to stay.Infact I'd only have one playoff between the winners of highland and lowland leagues,the winner of that go's straight up to league 2,the bottom club thus go's down to the league below depending on geography. Why do we need to reward failure with a way out?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 I suppose you have to look on it as a start... Initially the Conference had no direct promotion at all, then it became 1 automatic place and now 2 places. Schedules are "horses for courses" in a way? In SPFL2 there are no midweek rounds scheduled... but no blank weekends either so every postponed game has to go midweek (even if it's Berwick v Elgin!). In HL & LL there are a few scheduled midweek games in the autumn... but weekends are available in the spring. SPFL2 & HL finish in April, bar play-offs, but LL play their League Cup and some other cup-ties into May. Overall totals aren't very different: SPFL2 36 league games 1-6 League Cup ties 1-5 Challenge Cup ties = 38-47 games HL 34 league games 1-5 League Cup ties 1-4 local cup ties 1-4 local shield ties (Aberdeenshire only) = 37-47 games (Aberdeenshire) = 36-43 games (North of Scotland) LL 30 league games 1-6 South Challenge Cup ties 1-4 or 3-5 League Cup ties 1-5 local cup ties = 33-45 or 35-46 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Agreed HJ,it is a start,better than nowt and long overdue.Hopefully it won't be too long before straight promotion is introduced after the playoff game between HL/LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I think more promotion places are inevitable, once we have a few clubs seeing both sides its likely IMO they will push for direct promotion and they will find enough support from others who don't want to see relegation as something too difficult to come back from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Once an SPFL side gets relegated we'll start seeing the moves to make promotion easier, with the change going through a few years after. Bottom place will mean automatic relegation by 2020/21, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZMO Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 no-one higher up the pecking order demanding automatic relegation from the premier league and not the highly elongated contrived play-off system to ensure premier league status for team 11 in the top-flight. just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 There is already 3 times as much promotion-and-relegation into/out of Premiership than SPFL2, though, i.e. 1.5 places... and the same amount as Championship and SPFL1. EDIT: If SPFL2 relegation was organised on the same proportions, 10th would go down and 9th would playoff v loser of HL-LL playoff. Put another way - 10 clubs in each of Championship, SPFL1 and SPFL2 play for 1.5 promotion places... 34 clubs collectively in HL & LL play for 0.5 of a promotion place. There are automatic places in each of Championship, SPFL2 and SPFL2... there isn't an automatic place, even combined, for HL & LL. That's why people make these observations. Harder to go down, and come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I suppose you have to look on it as a start... Initially the Conference had no direct promotion at all, then it became 1 automatic place and now 2 places. Schedules are "horses for courses" in a way? In SPFL2 there are no midweek rounds scheduled... but no blank weekends either so every postponed game has to go midweek (even if it's Berwick v Elgin!). In HL & LL there are a few scheduled midweek games in the autumn... but weekends are available in the spring. SPFL2 & HL finish in April, bar play-offs, but LL play their League Cup and some other cup-ties into May. Overall totals aren't very different: SPFL2 36 league games 1-6 League Cup ties 1-5 Challenge Cup ties = 38-47 games HL 34 league games 1-5 League Cup ties 1-4 local cup ties 1-4 local shield ties (Aberdeenshire only) = 37-47 games (Aberdeenshire) = 36-43 games (North of Scotland) LL 30 league games 1-6 South Challenge Cup ties 1-4 or 3-5 League Cup ties 1-5 local cup ties = 33-45 or 35-46 games Missed out LL and HL teams in Challenge Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 And there will be 1 HL and LL team in the "big" League Cup next season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOFOREVER Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Agreed HJ,it is a start,better than nowt and long overdue.Hopefully it won't be too long before straight promotion is introduced after the playoff game between HL/LL Just as a matter of interest do you know how many HL clubs and their fans really want promotion to SPFL2 and are Deveronvale one of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Just as a matter of interest do you know how many HL clubs and their fans really want promotion to SPFL2 and are Deveronvale one of them? Hi mo,17 out of 18 clubs voted to be incoperated into the pyramid system,only Buckie Thistle voted against it,they had consulted their fans on the matter they mostly wern't for it. As for the rest of the supporters,from what I see and read on fitba north it seems to vary from club to club,would defo say the Aberdeenshire clubs and their fans are pro pyramid and of course that includes Deveronvale,seems to be the further west and north you go it isn't as well liked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back Beach Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Hi mo,17 out of 18 clubs voted to be incoperated into the pyramid system,only Buckie Thistle voted against it,they had consulted their fans on the matter they mostly wern't for it. As for the rest of the supporters,from what I see and read on fitba north it seems to vary from club to club,would defo say the Aberdeenshire clubs and their fans are pro pyramid and of course that includes Deveronvale,seems to be the further west and north you go it isn't as well liked. Not strictly true. Cove, Formartine and Brora Rangers all sufficiently geared up for entry into SPFL and all three really want it. Wouldn't do SPFL any harm either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Not strictly true. Cove, Formartine and Brora Rangers all sufficiently geared up for entry into SPFL and all three really want it. Wouldn't do SPFL any harm either. Just need to get a good enough team now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I can't believe I'm worried about this.. Todd Lumsden must be the worst appointment in the history of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty0310 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I can't believe I'm worried about this.. Todd Lumsden must be the worst appointment in the history of football are you forgetting we are still in this league? (not for long) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOFOREVER Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Not strictly true. Cove, Formartine and Brora Rangers all sufficiently geared up for entry into SPFL and all three really want it. Wouldn't do SPFL any harm either.I'd just let a few more in and have a bigger League 2. At least it would freshen things up a bit even though cascade money might be watered down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 Highland League Cup is playing merry hell with their schedule at the moment, no HL contender games played since previous update nor confirmation of their concluding program. Brora have 5 left to receive dates; Cove and Formartine each have 6; with 1 or 2 weekends free, so the remainder will have to go into the last 5 midweeks. None of the clubs are playing this midweek. EDIT: Actually there is still the Aberdeenshire Shield Final outstanding too, so if Cove reach the HL Cup Final and the Shield Final isn't held until after the end of the league season (and possibly playoffs) they might have to play a Monday somewhere to get finished. Formartine possibly "flying under the radar"? 7pts behind, but 2 games-in-hand, no cup distractions, and both Brora and Cove still to play. Things are now exceedingly tight afoot SPFL2, especially considering the number of 'head-to-heads' left. Stirling University dropped 2pts yesterday and will now need to go on a winning streak to put themselves within touching distance of Edinburgh City. Spartans remain only tenuously in touch. As we enter the last 6-8 weeks of the respective campaigns, here are the run-ins for the various clubs: SPFL2 | East Sti | Berwick | Montrose | Arbroath | (P27, 27pts) | (P27, 30pts) | (P28, 35pts) | (P27, 32pts) | | | | - T 08 Mar | Clyde (H) | Arbroath (H) | | Berwick (A) Sat 12 Mar | Arbroath (A) | Stir Alb (H) | Queens P (H) | East Sti (H) Sat 19 Mar | Clyde (H) | Annan (A) | Elgin (A) | Queens P (A) Sat 26 Mar | Stir Alb (A) | Elgin (H) | Annan (H) | Clyde (A) Sat 02 Apr | Berwick (H) | East Sti (A) | Clyde (A) | East Fif (H) Sat 09 Apr | Queens P (H) | Clyde (H) | East Fif (A) | Annan (A) Sat 16 Apr | Annan (A) | Arbroath (A) | Stir Alb (H) | Berwick (H) Sat 23 Apr | Elgin (H) | East Fif (H) | Arbroath (A) | Montrose (H) Sat 30 Apr | East Fif (A) | Montrose (A) | Berwick (H) | Elgin (A) Highland League | Brora | Cove | Formartine | (P26, 67pts) | (P25, 64pts) | (P24, 60pts) | | | Sat 12 Mar | Cove (H) | Brora (A) | Keith (A) HL Cup SF Sat 19 Mar | Inveruri (H) | Fort Wil (H) | Turriff (A) Sat 26 Mar | | | Sat 02 Apr | Wick (A) | Rothes (A) | Huntly (H) Sat 09 Apr | | | HL Cup Final Sat 16 Apr | Deveronv (H) | Turriff (A) | Strathsp (A) - date tbc | Fort Wil (H) | Deveronv (H) | Brora (H) | Huntly (H) | Formart (H) | Deveronv (H) | Formart (A) | Strathsp (H) | Clachnac (H) | Forres (A) | Clachnac (A) | Cove (A) | Strathsp (A) | Fort Wil (A) | Nairn (A) | | Nairn (A) | Wick (A) | | Fraserb (N) | Aberdeenshire Shield Final Lowland League | Edin City | Stir Uni | Spartans | (P22, 57pts) | (P18, 40pts) | (P19, 39pts) | | | - T 08 Mar | | Gala (H) | - W 09 Mar | | | Threave (A) Sat 12 Mar | East Kil (H) | Spartans (A) | Stir Uni (H) Sat 19 Mar | Gretna (A) | Threave (A) | East Kil (N) EOS Qual Cup Final (Sun 20 Mar) - W 23 Mar | | BSC Glas (H) | Sat 26 Mar | Selkirk (A) | BSC Glas (A) | Dalbeatt (A) - W 30 Mar | | Whitehil (A) | Vale o L (A) Sat 02 Apr | Edusport (A) | Preston (A) | Gala (H) South Challenge Cup SF - T 05 Apr | | Selkirk (A) | - W 06 Apr | Vale o L (A) | | Whitehil (A) Sat 09 Apr | Stir Uni (H) | Edin Cit (A) | Edin Uni (A) Sat 16 Apr | Whitehil (A) | Dalbeatt (H) | Gretna (H) - date tbc | | | BSC Glas (A) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 You don't half put a lot of work into this. Thanks and well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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