Fide Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Have you any idea how much of a creepy fucking perv you sound when you continually do stuff like this? So VERY pleasing to have rattled you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 What about Devo Max? Will the SNP go for that first and when that gets refused they have yet another excuse to show up Westmister? Or is it beyond that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 What about Devo Max? Will the SNP go for that first and when that gets refused they have yet another excuse to show up Westmister? Or is it beyond that now? I was thinking the same as Corbyn could offer Sturgeon a deal for 2020. That deal would include Devo max and scrapping Trident in exchange for postponing Indyref2 and joining his anti-austerity coalition in Westminster. Would it be acceptable to the SNP supporters on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 What about Devo Max? Will the SNP go for that first and when that gets refused they have yet another excuse to show up Westmister? Or is it beyond that now? The SNP have always said they'll take whatever powers are available to them and I doubt they would turn it down. It would pacify some of those who would vote yes, but the argument would never fully go away and the SNP would be waiting in the wings to go for full on independence. From a personal point of view, I could be talked around to voting devo max if it's on the ballot. I'm looking at things from a point of view where I want Scotland governed better and I feel we're best placed to do that at Holyrood. Devo max would give us the self determination and economic triggers that I'd be looking for as well as the security of the union. The issues would be regarding Trident and our foreign policy, particularly relating to the middle East. If we have no say in either, I'd still back independence. A referendum on devo-max might be the way for the Tories to placate the growing number of people in Scotland demanding a second go at a referendum. I think the 'yes' side would win that quite comfortably too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I was thinking the same as Corbyn could offer Sturgeon a deal for 2020. That deal would include Devo max and scrapping Trident in exchange for postponing Indyref2 and joining his anti-austerity coalition in Westminster. Would it be acceptable to the SNP supporters on here? Would do quite nicely for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I was thinking the same as Corbyn could offer Sturgeon a deal for 2020. That deal would include Devo max and scrapping Trident in exchange for postponing Indyref2 and joining his anti-austerity coalition in Westminster. Would it be acceptable to the SNP supporters on here? I'd have to see the nuts and bolts. I'd be open to listening, certainly. But then what if the Tories get back in in 2025? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Yes I'm definitely rattled. Or am I seething? It's hard to tell, you're so often both these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I'd have to see the nuts and bolts. I'd be open to listening, certainly. But then what if the Tories get back in in 2025? That will always be a possibility in any UK general election. In 10 years time, Labour could be in power in Holyrood too. There are risks in any potential political deal. The nuts and bolts, as you put it, would reflect Corbyn's and Sturgeon's respective negotiating skills. Corbyn lacks experience at the highest level. He would need a deal more than Sturgeon so she should have the best hand to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 No deals for me. Full independence or abolish the Scottish Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 No deals for me. Full independence or abolish the Scottish Parliament. Isn't that the very definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Isn't that the very definition of cutting your nose off to spite your face? Nope. Put it to bed once and for all. Which country are we that stands amongst equals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I see both Ruth and Willie have came out recently to have a pop at Labour for the war the no camp was run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I was thinking the same as Corbyn could offer Sturgeon a deal for 2020. That deal would include Devo max and scrapping Trident in exchange for postponing Indyref2 and joining his anti-austerity coalition in Westminster. Would it be acceptable to the SNP supporters on here? I'd be happy with that. A lot of my 'independence at all costs' feeling has subsided and I still broadly favour it but devo-max as a step to independence if we were led by a left wing government UK wide would be palatable. The problem is A) the complete unlikeliness of said left wing government sweeping into power nationwide and B) the Tories returning to power at any point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I see both Ruth and Willie have came out recently to have a pop at Labour for the war the no camp was run. Ironic to say the least. Both of them were up to their necks in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I see both Ruth and Willie have came out recently to have a pop at Labour for the war the no camp was run. Your typos are hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Devo Max or Federalism would have to be agreed across the UK not just Scotland. And to be honest it's never going to happen and any suggestion that it will is just bollox and a deflection from our goal of independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placidcasual Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Have you any idea how much of a creepy fucking perv you sound when you continually do stuff like this? I'm sure he posted somewhere that he's 40 something. Starting threads on farting, and favourite swearwords. Hands down, the worst poster to ever post here, scurry away, then come back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Devo Max or Federalism would have to be agreed across the UK not just Scotland. And to be honest it's never going to happen and any suggestion that it will is just bollox and a deflection from our goal of independence. ^ this Its either full independence or abolish the Scottish Parliament for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 No deals for me. Full independence or abolish the Scottish Parliament. Doubt that abolition would ever be a referendum option tbh. Too many careers would disappear and then there would be the public outcry on the money would have been wasted on on the Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 The snps main policy is independence nothing else will be acceptable to the parties supporters,the problem is nicola must contain that desire for now,what wont help her is when 2 of her own scottish ministers and 3 of her westminster mps join a group that wants another vote in 2018, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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