H_B Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Tactically it is a far different game. But it just takes a solid partner and adaption to the different tactics used. A good singles player would always be able to adapt if they played doubles full time. Again that's not true really. You need to be able to volley to play doubles well. Not all singles players are particularly adept at that. Return of serve is also greatly different. Because there's someone at the net waiting to mash it away if you just scrape it back. It's a completely different game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 it's completely disrespectful to Vekic And Kokkinakis can't be too happy to have his name chucked in here either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Again that's not true really. You need to be able to volley to play doubles well. Not all singles players are particularly adept at that. Return of serve is also greatly different. Because there's someone at the net waiting to mash it away if you just scrape it back. It's a completely different game. Why are doubles players more adept at volleying than singles players? They practise them more and that they play the shot more often. In the hypothetical situation where Murray switched to doubles full time he would improve that area. Much like he has improved his serve all this year. You call it a different game completely, I say it is different tactically. From your description there, we are meaning the same thing just using different words to describe it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Why are doubles players more adept at volleying than singles players? They practise them more Again, not really. Some people are better at volleying because they are better at volleying. Take David Ferrer for example. Top 5 player in the world at singles. If he'd have practised the same amount of time in my view he would have been nowhere near the top 10 in the world at doubles. Weak serve. Small in height. Very average volleyer. A lot of his singles strengths are physical. He's a grinder and can trade groundstrokes for hours. Not much use in doubles as the points are over very quickly and it's not a physically demanding game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Haha, Warwinka's tweet "I woudn't wish it on my worst enemy". What a shitebag. Krygios is a p***k alright, although you can't help but warm to him with such wet lettuce media. Let's get things in order. He said "Kokkinakis banged your girlfriend" Can you imagine if it was two non-professionals anywhere else in the world, who actually have to pay per hour to play on the court, it would be certainly a lot worse than that. We are all doomed. His brother was cut off midway through an Aussie radio interview when he said :- "Vekic obviously loves the Kokk" Wawrinka should have laughed it off or even better said "Well, she sure as f**k wouldn't have banged you". He comes out of this looking as much of a penis as Kyrgios. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Again, not really. Some people are better at volleying because they are better at volleying. Take David Ferrer for example. Top 5 player in the world at singles. If he'd have practised the same amount of time in my view he would have been nowhere near the top 10 in the world at doubles. Weak serve. Small in height. Very average volleyer. A lot of his singles strengths are physical. He's a grinder and can trade groundstrokes for hours. Not much use in doubles as the points are over very quickly and it's not a physically demanding game. But you must also concede that practising a shot makes that player better at that shot. Or they would be no improvement over time. Some tennis players (Andre Agassi for example) states that the only reason he was good was the amount of time he practised each shot. Lendl also has said this, and made Murray work on his glaring weaknesses when he became coach (forehand, serve and down the line strokes). The example of David Ferrer I do agree with you. His skillset wouldn't be best placed for doubles. Ferrer is a prime example of a player with limited abilities getting the absolute maximum potential out due to being an incredible athlete and hard worker. But he isn't top 5. Quite likely will be out of the top 10 very soon. His vulturing of two very weak 500s in February should keep him relatively high. His brother was cut off midway through an Aussie radio interview when he said :- "Vekic obviously loves the Kokk" Wawrinka should have laughed it off or even better said "Well, she sure as f**k wouldn't have banged you". He comes out of this looking as much of a penis as Kyrgios. Just the classic "Yer Maw?" would have been the most apt. On to the match tonight and Murray has a very commanding Head to Head record against Tsonga. 9-2. Tsonga's only victories have come in his best performances at a Major and Masters (Aus Open 08 and Toronto Masters 14). A win tonight would see Murray as the new no.2 in the world. Sadly it will not be in time for the draw at the Cincinatti Masters. Although just matching Federer's result in that Masters would ensure he was number two seed for the US Open. Making the final or winning the Candian Masters would be a great help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 But you must also concede that practising a shot makes that player better at that shot. Well, yes. But you are getting dangerously close to Matthew Syed "Bounce" type nonsense here. You need a completely different range of shots to play doubles, compared to singles. To switch it about, why haven't the Bryans just practiced their groundstrokes more and become top singles players? Given they would have made much more money from tennis that way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Well, yes. But you are getting dangerously close to Matthew Syed "Bounce" type nonsense here. You need a completely different range of shots to play doubles, compared to singles. To switch it about, why haven't the Bryans just practiced their groundstrokes more and become top singles players? Given they would have made much more money from tennis that way. Mainly as elite singles players have a more rounded skill set than a typical doubles player. To make a living from playing professional tennis they have to leave the singles circuit to play doubles. Yes I agree the range of shots and tactics employed are different, but elite singles players would be better placed to make the adaptions needed. Sadly practise alone wouldn't have made the Bryan's any better in the singles game. As they didn't possess the tennis talent that the top 10 have. Although I think both would have broken the top 100, they would never have made it to the top 10. Andy Murray if he devoted his full time to doubles play would be a better doubles player than the Bryan's. As would Djokovic, Nadal, Nishikori, Wawrinka, Berdych and Federer. Berdych record in the Davis Cup with Stepanek is formidable. Ferrer I agree with you would struggle in the Doubles game. Isner and Gasquet finish the singles top 10 (provisionally for the next entry) and are already good doubles players. Anyway away from hypothetical tennis and on to real tennis. It has been raining in Canada and the start of play has been delayed until at least 7 7pm. Andy Murray is last on today. Nadal Nishikori is due at 11.30pm and unless there are two monster length games that start time shouldn't be delayed too much. Murray is on straight after that match. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual Insanity Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 "Vekic obviously loves the Kokk" Just when it couldn't get much more disrespectful. Anyway, except from the choice example you've picked out, all the rest of the top 10 would walk the doubles competition. The obvious answer to why the Bryans haven't just improved their groundstrokes is because they're not good enough. The reason why Murray et al have not improved their volleys is because (a) their volleys aren't actually that far away from that level and (b) there's no need to. The idea that the best tennis players in the world couldn't play a tactically (and technically) slightly different game better than anyone else is absurd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Nishikori beat Nadal 6-2, 6-4 with Murray beating Tsonga 6-4, 6-4. Djokovic faces Chardy in the other semi final. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-coo-shed Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Murray Nishikori should be a great match. Murray was pretty solid last night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I fell asleep after Gulbis missed his two match points. Woke to to see Nishikori take a double break lead in the first set, and then fell back asleep. Looked a routine win for Murray looking at the stats. I thought Gulbis was good value last night. There was some excellent exchanges between the two players using slice, and the rather unorthodox stance Gulbis uses for his forehand had Djokovic in trouble. The break Gulbis conceded to Djokovic in the second set was a gift. In the tie break he didn't make a first serve. Certainly enjoyed it up until I fell asleep. Murray Nishikori should be a very good match. Was hoping Nadal made it through, so you could see Murray take him apart again. Murray leads 4-1 in the head to head. The only victory Nishikori had was that awful shitfest in the O2 finals last year. The draw for Cincy is out. Murray is seeded to face R16 Dimitrov, QF Cilic, SF Nadal/Federer F Djokovic/Wawrinka. Nishikori sneaked ahead of Wawrinka in the seedings so Wawrinka Vs Djokovic could take place in the QF. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 , or when Del Potro told Murray he shagged his mum. This sort of shite happens all the time in tennis/sport, just get bloody on with it already. The big man did not say this. He wound murray up at 1 of tge clay court masters back in 07/08 about his mum always following him around. Murray trounced him at us open 08.... and delpo apologised at end of match 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booitsme7 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Andy Murray beats Kei Nishikori 6-3 6-0 and will play Novak Djokovic in the final. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Andy Murray beats Kei Nishikori 6-3 6-0 and will play Novak Djokovic in the final. He's been solid all week, but even then I'm shocked that he has bageled Nishikori on a hard court. Murray now guaranteed to be back up to second in the rankings on Monday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 The joker smells weed on court. Claims he was getting high! Perhaps him and big boris have been smoking spliffs in celebration of sw19 win.... and is now getting his story straight for impending drug test failure:lol: just my opinion of course..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 He's been solid all week, but even then I'm shocked that he has bageled Nishikori on a hard court. Murray now guaranteed to be back up to second in the rankings on Monday. Nishikori is made of chocolate. He picked up an injury at the start of the second set and his movement was hindered. I like watching Murray Vs Nishikori they just rip each other's second serve to shreds. Two of the games Nishikori took were breaks. It shows how much Nadal has fallen behind that he couldn't take advantage of a very poor serving Nishikori. He has lost his last eight matches against Novak. Andy if you win the toss tonight, elect to serve. Thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 He has lost his last eight matches against Novak. Andy if you win the toss tonight, elect to serve. Thanks. ^this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Nishikori is made of chocolate. He picked up an injury at the start of the second set and his movement was hindered. I like watching Murray Vs Nishikori they just rip each other's second serve to shreds. Two of the games Nishikori took were breaks. It shows how much Nadal has fallen behind that he couldn't take advantage of a very poor serving Nishikori. He has lost his last eight matches against Novak. Andy if you win the toss tonight, elect to serve. Thanks. Saw most of his matches this week but missed this one, no mention at all on the BBC website that Nishikori was struggling. Hopefully he can keep this run of form up, would be great if he can stop this run of defeats against Djokovic before the US Open. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Saw most of his matches this week but missed this one, no mention at all on the BBC website that Nishikori was struggling. Hopefully he can keep this run of form up, would be great if he can stop this run of defeats against Djokovic before the US Open. The problem with Nishikori is when he starts to lose he uses the injury as an excuse. The likes of Djokovic, Murray, Nadal and Federer just play through it. He had just broken Murray back at 4-3 and was 40-0 up and ready to square the set, when Murray obliterated him on his second serve, forced him into a double fault then zinged a winner from his first serve. He couldn't take the pressure and wilted. Not only was Murray stepping inside the baseline to return that second serves, he was at times closer to the service box than he was the baseline. Nishikori just couldn't deal with it. Nishikori's power generation, shot selection and variety means he can trouble anyone on any surface, but he hasn't quite got the physical and mental strength to really push against the top players currently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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