Mr Bairn Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Working and getting paid and being self sufficient is the best way for a society to run. No one is going to disagree with this, well except Oaksoft maybe but he's a bit simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happymoar Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 No one is going to disagree with this, well except Oaksoft maybe but he's a bit simple. There are people who like to class themselves as Socialists or Capitalists. They are useful to the State because they obey and agree and attack any "dissenters". All BIG Govt left and right are interfering greedy control freaks who fear independence and contented people. They love dependence and dependents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 There are people who like to class themselves as Socialists or Capitalists. They are useful to the State because they obey and agree and attack any "dissenters". All BIG Govt left and right are interfering greedy control freaks who fear independence and contented people. They love dependence and dependents Hi Seamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Hi Seamus Strange, I just mentioned you in another thread a few seconds ago. Doing well I hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Strange, I just mentioned you in another thread a few seconds ago. Doing well I hope? My ears were burning! I'm alright thanks. Hope you are too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Hi Seamus Heard a rumour that your new missus didn't like you spending time with us reprobates, mate. Has she seen the error of her ways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 Hi Seamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/single-mums-fury-hmrc-stop-6642830 Single mum's fury as HMRC stop her tax credits after accusing her of being in relationship.. with her BROTHER Blame the Record for the headline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 This doesn't deserve a response as it is such a ridiculous suggestion, but I'll humour you, but in Ayr there are c. 4000 people claiming jsa or whatever it is called these days. Can you suggest a way of monitoring all 4000 of them, and where do they go? Somerset Park - fit it out with computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'm intelligent enough to question anything people say. Are you? For a start, why don't you simply explain why you agree with him? Why is it that you think paid work is the best way for a society to function? It seems to me that paid work traps people in a cycle of unhappiness and materialism. The proof of that is when you visit Africa and see how happy people are with nothing. Are you saying that people in the West are happier than people in Africa? You'd be wrong to think so. Work is stressful, breeds dependency on your employer, traps you in a cycle where you must work to maintain an artificial materialistic lifestyle leading inevitably to the plague of depression and unhappiness sweeping the first world countries. Almost everyone works most of the hours of sunlight to make rich people richer whilst they receive a relative pittance in return despite performing most of the actual work. Families are neglected as people work ever longer hours. Quality of life suffers and most adults return home exhausted and broken each day only to repeat the cycle the following morning. You even need to ask permission to get a few lousy weeks off each year. You reckon this is a good thing? Without even questioning it? Therefore the question isn't actually a simple one to answer which is why I asked if you were intelligent enough to think it through. Are you? I heard an interview with Shaun Ryder the other day where he was discussing a trip he made to the Amazonian rainforest and met a tribe who had only just made contact with the rest of the world. Suffice to say their lifestyle, free of bills, worries about work and benefits, and all the stresses and strains that western life brings, was markedly more relaxed and enjoyable than ours. Money and the Tories ideology surrounding it causes misery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happymoar Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 What exactly do you think the government are controlling in your life other than at a very superficial level? Your job? Your career? Your life choices? Your spouse? Your hobbies? I think you want MOAR BIG STATE. If so I know who he's talking about in this video.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_uTw1v_ce0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/single-mums-fury-hmrc-stop-6642830 Single mum's fury as HMRC stop her tax credits after accusing her of being in relationship.. with her BROTHER Blame the Record for the headline. But Lorelle, from Motherwell, said the cock-up had caused her weeks of needless worry. The HMRC have probably called this one right tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavin_3110 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Bring back the workhouses for these c***s. For the most workshy I'd have them performing hard labour outdoors in all weather, breaking rocks or turning "the crank". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Bring back the workhouses for these c***s. For the most workshy I'd have them performing hard labour outdoors in all weather, breaking rocks or turning "the crank". far too moderate for me. Sell them into slavery and get something back for the country.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The HMRC have probably called this one right tbf. I'm sure her brother's cock-up did cause her weeks of endless worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Somerset Park - fit it out with computers. Not enough seats mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Foodbank use has risen 17% on last year, with delays in receiving benefits being the most quoted reason for hardship. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34849661 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Okay, I will bite. Often, people are being sanctioned for the slightest thing, it has an effect on their claim. That's before you get to folk that have chaotic lives, are we just supposed to starve them? No claim? No money. No food. Folk on low pay - I had to refer a staff member to a foodbank last year. He had an unexpected bill, it took him into an unauthorised overdraft, it ended up a downward spiral of paying off the overdraft and charges, he didn't have food at the end of the month. I was actually making two lunches a day, he couldn't function properly and I couldn't have someone who wasn't carrying his weight. I referred him to a foodbank and debt agency. That's someone who is working 36h per week. There's a hell of a lot of folk out there that's one bill, one repair, one late bus journey away from a foodbank. That is the reality, not some random benefit cheat that the right wing press live to demonise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Okay, I will bite. Often, people are being sanctioned for the slightest thing, it has an effect on their claim. That's before you get to folk that have chaotic lives, are we just supposed to starve them? No claim? No money. No food. Folk on low pay - I had to refer a staff member to a foodbank last year. He had an unexpected bill, it took him into an unauthorised overdraft, it ended up a downward spiral of paying off the overdraft and charges, he didn't have food at the end of the month. I was actually making two lunches a day, he couldn't function properly and I couldn't have someone who wasn't carrying his weight. I referred him to a foodbank and debt agency. That's someone who is working 36h per week. There's a hell of a lot of folk out there that's one bill, one repair, one late bus journey away from a foodbank. That is the reality, not some random benefit cheat that the right wing press live to demonise. Leaving aside the arseholes and wind up merchants on here (often the same thing) there's huge numbers of people who simply don't realise what a true and truly disturbing statement that is. There are many hard working folk living hand-to-mouth with no money put aside and no family support. It's too easy for such people to suddenly go from coping to not coping. There's also too many folk who, thankfully for them, don't have that experience and seem unable to realise that is a reality for others. On a similar note I remember watching a documentary about house possession in the U.S. after the last recession caused by greedy bankers. It was sad to see the number of ordinary families who had worked hard all their lives who were made homeless as a result of losing their jobs and not having any type of support system to help them. Their general demeanour was one of disbelief that they could go from one lifestyle to another so quickly with little or no chance of reverting back all due to a set of circumstances outwith their control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 That's the reality of foodbank Britain. I genuinely think that folk have no idea as to how bad it actually is, they all seem to think that going to a foodbank is a lifestyle choice, or that it allows people to spend money on booze/fags/drugs. I can assure folk that it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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