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No one is going to disagree with this, well except Oaksoft maybe but he's a bit simple.

There are people who like to class themselves as Socialists or Capitalists. They are useful to the State because they obey and agree and attack any "dissenters". All BIG Govt left and right are interfering greedy control freaks who fear independence and contented people. They love dependence and dependents

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There are people who like to class themselves as Socialists or Capitalists. They are useful to the State because they obey and agree and attack any "dissenters". All BIG Govt left and right are interfering greedy control freaks who fear independence and contented people. They love dependence and dependents

Hi Seamus :)

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This doesn't deserve a response as it is such a ridiculous suggestion, but I'll humour you, but in Ayr there are c. 4000 people claiming jsa or whatever it is called these days. Can you suggest a way of monitoring all 4000 of them, and where do they go?

Somerset Park - fit it out with computers.

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I'm intelligent enough to question anything people say.

Are you?

For a start, why don't you simply explain why you agree with him?

Why is it that you think paid work is the best way for a society to function?

It seems to me that paid work traps people in a cycle of unhappiness and materialism.

The proof of that is when you visit Africa and see how happy people are with nothing.

Are you saying that people in the West are happier than people in Africa?

You'd be wrong to think so.

Work is stressful, breeds dependency on your employer, traps you in a cycle where you must work to maintain an artificial materialistic lifestyle

leading inevitably to the plague of depression and unhappiness sweeping the first world countries. Almost everyone works most of the hours of sunlight to make rich people richer whilst they receive a relative pittance in return despite performing most of the actual work.

Families are neglected as people work ever longer hours. Quality of life suffers and most adults return home exhausted and broken each day only to repeat the cycle the following morning. You even need to ask permission to get a few lousy weeks off each year.

You reckon this is a good thing? Without even questioning it?

Therefore the question isn't actually a simple one to answer which is why I asked if you were intelligent enough to think it through.

Are you?

I heard an interview with Shaun Ryder the other day where he was discussing a trip he made to the Amazonian rainforest and met a tribe who had only just made contact with the rest of the world.

Suffice to say their lifestyle, free of bills, worries about work and benefits, and all the stresses and strains that western life brings, was markedly more relaxed and enjoyable than ours.

Money and the Tories ideology surrounding it causes misery.

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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/single-mums-fury-hmrc-stop-6642830

Single mum's fury as HMRC stop her tax credits after accusing her of being in relationship.. with her BROTHER

Blame the Record for the headline.

But Lorelle, from Motherwell, said the cock-up had caused her weeks of needless worry.

The HMRC have probably called this one right tbf.

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Bring back the workhouses for these c***s.

For the most workshy I'd have them performing hard labour outdoors in all weather, breaking rocks or turning "the crank".

far too moderate for me. Sell them into slavery and get something back for the country....

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Okay, I will bite.

Often, people are being sanctioned for the slightest thing, it has an effect on their claim. That's before you get to folk that have chaotic lives, are we just supposed to starve them?

No claim? No money. No food.

Folk on low pay - I had to refer a staff member to a foodbank last year. He had an unexpected bill, it took him into an unauthorised overdraft, it ended up a downward spiral of paying off the overdraft and charges, he didn't have food at the end of the month. I was actually making two lunches a day, he couldn't function properly and I couldn't have someone who wasn't carrying his weight. I referred him to a foodbank and debt agency.

That's someone who is working 36h per week.

There's a hell of a lot of folk out there that's one bill, one repair, one late bus journey away from a foodbank. That is the reality, not some random benefit cheat that the right wing press live to demonise.

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Okay, I will bite.

Often, people are being sanctioned for the slightest thing, it has an effect on their claim. That's before you get to folk that have chaotic lives, are we just supposed to starve them?

No claim? No money. No food.

Folk on low pay - I had to refer a staff member to a foodbank last year. He had an unexpected bill, it took him into an unauthorised overdraft, it ended up a downward spiral of paying off the overdraft and charges, he didn't have food at the end of the month. I was actually making two lunches a day, he couldn't function properly and I couldn't have someone who wasn't carrying his weight. I referred him to a foodbank and debt agency.

That's someone who is working 36h per week.

There's a hell of a lot of folk out there that's one bill, one repair, one late bus journey away from a foodbank. That is the reality, not some random benefit cheat that the right wing press live to demonise.

Leaving aside the arseholes and wind up merchants on here (often the same thing) there's huge numbers of people who simply don't realise what a true and truly disturbing statement that is.

There are many hard working folk living hand-to-mouth with no money put aside and no family support. It's too easy for such people to suddenly go from coping to not coping. There's also too many folk who, thankfully for them, don't have that experience and seem unable to realise that is a reality for others.

On a similar note I remember watching a documentary about house possession in the U.S. after the last recession caused by greedy bankers. It was sad to see the number of ordinary families who had worked hard all their lives who were made homeless as a result of losing their jobs and not having any type of support system to help them. Their general demeanour was one of disbelief that they could go from one lifestyle to another so quickly with little or no chance of reverting back all due to a set of circumstances outwith their control.

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That's the reality of foodbank Britain.

I genuinely think that folk have no idea as to how bad it actually is, they all seem to think that going to a foodbank is a lifestyle choice, or that it allows people to spend money on booze/fags/drugs. I can assure folk that it is not.

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