Sons Fan Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Been chatting about this recently with some friends and after reading the Rovers Vs Sons thread I thought it would be good to bring it into its own thread. Is there really still a massive gulf between FT teams and PT teams in Scotland? Don't get me wrong I understand there is a difference between my team Dumbarton and Real Madrid. But say a third Div side Vs a first div yes I'm sure the first div team may have more skillful players but the third div team can be setup to be hardworking take chances. What's people thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I think you and your friends have very boring conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albino Rover Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Dunfermline are the only full time team in our league and despite a few poor results they're pretty much coasting it, just like QOTS did the last time we were in the third tier, when they were the only FT club. Dumbarton are doing exceptionally well with their resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilky1878 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Been chatting about this recently with some friends and after reading the Rovers Vs Sons thread I thought it would be good to bring it into its own thread. Is there really still a massive gulf between FT teams and PT teams in Scotland? Don't get me wrong I understand there is a difference between my team Dumbarton and Real Madrid. But say a third Div side Vs a first div yes I'm sure the first div team may have more skillful players but the third div team can be setup to be hardworking take chances. What's people thoughts? In terms of fitness levels it's probably closer now than it ever has but in terms of technical ability and tactics I think a full time team will always have the advantage as they have more time to work on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baillieinleeds Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Our full time "adventure" is a waste. God knows what they do all week. Taking 1 point against 2 part time teams is a disgrace. So for me it's a failed experiment. I'd rather we had a team of F/T and P/T players like before. Atleast there wasn't many expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Full time football is what every club should aspire to. Just look at the rampant success of Morton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Dunfermline are the only full time team in our league and despite a few poor results they're pretty much coasting it, just like QOTS did the last time we were in the third tier, when they were the only FT club. Dumbarton are doing exceptionally well with their resources. But then, Dunfermline spunked £200k and failed to even make the playoffs last season. The season before the same pretty much happened. Queens smashed their way up, but they seem a far more solid team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitbowl Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Within the championship over recent seasons it has been shown that the part-time teams can compete on a match day. However in reality the full-time teams generally have better players so the fitness debate is second to overall ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albino Rover Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I think just as Dumbarton just now are an exceptional success, Dunfermline last season were an exceptional failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Heard Dumbarton were flirting with the idea of going full time if they stayed up this year. Any truth to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Heard Dumbarton were flirting with the idea of going full time if they stayed up this year. Any truth to that? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Heard Dumbarton were flirting with the idea of going full time if they stayed up this year. Any truth to that? Unless the bus loads that leave the town for Old Firm games every week start turning up at The Rock then I'm afraid we'll need to file that in the "insane ideas" category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallochSonsFan Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Most part time players do fitness work on their own in between training sessions so whilst there is still a difference, it's not as big as it has been. There's a skills difference between the divisions but within a division it's probably narrow. You can add in things like sports science? Full time physio etc. The overall package does add up to a gap, but most part time teams can give it a good go on any given game. It's stringing those results together that's the problem. Easier to manage a full time squad and carry quality on the bench. Part time teams usually can't find the consistency that full time teams in the same league can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Nope Thought as much. Boy I know who works with their youth squad said it was a plan - sounded unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Thought as much. Boy I know who works with their youth squad said it was a plan - sounded unlikely It wouldn't surprise me if there were 1 or 2 individuals at the club touting the idea but it would be mental and I'd hope the saner voices at the club would prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitbowl Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 It wouldn't surprise me if there were 1 or 2 individuals at the club touting the idea but it would be mental and I'd hope the saner voices at the club would prevail. The hybrid trialed by Cowden last season was far from successful and seems to have really eaten into their funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpaddyx Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Full Time isn't always better than Part Time. Our best player for a number of years was McGurn (hate using the past tense), who has a decent job away from football and it didn't make sense for him to be Full Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Been chatting about this recently with some friends and after reading the Rovers Vs Sons thread I thought it would be good to bring it into its own thread. Is there really still a massive gulf between FT teams and PT teams in Scotland? Don't get me wrong I understand there is a difference between my team Dumbarton and Real Madrid. But say a third Div side Vs a first div yes I'm sure the first div team may have more skillful players but the third div team can be setup to be hardworking take chances. What's people thoughts? If there wasn't a massive gulf then why are there not any part time teams in the top tier? But then, Dunfermline spunked £200k and failed to even make the playoffs last season. The season before the same pretty much happened. Queens smashed their way up, but they seem a far more solid team. The same didn't pretty much happen, we finished very comfortably in second, only behind full time Rangers. And while we were a shambles last year, the winner of the league was full time Morton. We were managed so mediocre last season that it totally neglected any advantage being full time brings. AJ has rectified it this season and we're comfortably top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Dumbarton are the only part-timers sitting above full-timers, if you discount Alloa (bottom of tier 2) against Dunfermline & Ayr (top of tier 3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Think ayr have reverted to a normal pt set-up, don't think mccall liked the hybrid they had going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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