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Not sure if it’s been posted elsewhere, or if this is the appropriate forum, but certain cinemas are allowing themselves to be pressured not to show the film ‘Lady of Heaven’ by backward thinking god botherers of the Muslim variety.

Allowing a small minority of fanatics to censor the showing of a film is pretty poor.

 

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A theme in the film is the Sunni Muslim oppression of Shia Muslims. For Sunni identitarians, perpetual victimhood is a key part of their self-perception. So to be reminded of reality, where Sunnis are indeed the oppressors, that causes uncomfortable cognitive dissonance. Truth hurts. Most of the protestors in England have links to Pakistan, a Sunni supremacist nation where massacres of Shia Muslims are regular. 

The film being withdrawn by cinemas is the correct decision, for me. If state security can't guarantee the safety of cinema workers then I don't want them being martyred over this.

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44 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said:

If state security can't guarantee the safety of XXXX then I don't want them being martyred over this.

Slippery slope to let fanatics censor anything and everything they want.

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20 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Slippery slope to let fanatics censor anything and everything they want.

Of course. My thinking, though, is that it's not fair on cinema workers to be our martyrs for this cause. For them to be the ones potentially facing harm - violence or intimidation - on behalf of us all. It's really up to the state to step in here and guarantee censorship doesn't happen by providing the security those workers need. 

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41 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said:

Of course. My thinking, though, is that it's not fair on cinema workers to be our martyrs for this cause. For them to be the ones potentially facing harm - violence or intimidation - on behalf of us all. It's really up to the state to step in here and guarantee censorship doesn't happen by providing the security those workers need. 

I understand your thinking but on the basis that ‘the state’ is not going to do what you want then it’s either capitulation or refusal to capitulate.

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2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

I understand your thinking but on the basis that ‘the state’ is not going to do what you want then it’s either capitulation or refusal to capitulate.

As we know, companies' sole aim is to make profit and they don't care about the greater good or upholding societal values. Cineworld and Vue have cited worker safety as their reason for pulling this film. Really, it'll have been that they feared the film would generate negative media coverage which could end up being partly directed at them and therefore prove bad for business. If the state does its bit and ensures worker safety with adequate policing of protests and ideally exclusion zones, then that takes away that concern and at that point the spotlight can be fully shone on the companies. 

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For the kind of mindset that results in authors/translators/publishers having their lives threatened in exchange for cash for involvement in a work of fiction and cartoonists being murdered, forcing the withdrawal of a movie is relatively calm. 

IMO it's still utterly revolting that people who have no association with a supernatural belief system find themselves governed by elements of it under a permanent threat of violence. 

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6 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

For the kind of mindset that results in authors/translators/publishers having their lives threatened in exchange for cash for involvement in a work of fiction and cartoonists being murdered, forcing the withdrawal of a movie is relatively calm. 

IMO it's still utterly revolting that people who have no association with a supernatural belief system find themselves governed by elements of it under a permanent threat of violence. 

That's one one thing that really grinds my gears about a lot of religions, the fact they they expect everyone else to adhere to the rules they live by.

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I find paras 10&17 of the summary in contradiction with each other. I am also a bit surprised at the verdict given para 5, in which the defence was amended and accepted that a statement wasn't true. There's enough in that summary to merit an appeal, unfortunately. In the meantime, I'll enjoy Banks seething. 

Sounds like it was felt that Banks' evidence was not the most reliable (no comment - don't want sued) and that Cadwalladr wasn't a particularly great witness either. 

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On 13/06/2022 at 10:16, williemillersmoustache said:

Very good news for a number of reasons including but not limited to getting it right up Aaron Banks..

 

I wouldn’t get carried away.

She did defame him but, according to the judge, not to a high enough extent.

CC is still a rotten journalist as all her ‘Russian’ claims were nonsense.

AB is considering an appeal.

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