jmothecat Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Yeah, I've checked the arithmetic and you are correct. If 250 English MPs vote against something, 283 English MPs vote for it and 50 Scottish MPs vote against it, does it pass? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 It's really simple: 286 MPs voted for relaxation of Sunday Trading in England. Further checking suggests only 10 of them were from constituencies outside of England (1 Scottish, 9 Welsh). An English majority is anything equal to or better than 267 MPs. 276 English MPs supported the bill. That is manifestly a majority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 If 250 English MPs vote against something, 283 English MPs vote for it and 50 Scottish MPs vote against it, does it pass? Depends on the numbers that also voted against it. If everyone else abstained then yes it would. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Depends on the numbers that also voted against it. If everyone else abstained then yes it would. With the remaining votes split evenly. That was implied. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 It's really simple: 286 MPs voted for relaxation of Sunday Trading in England. Further checking suggests only 10 of them were from constituencies outside of England (1 Scottish, 9 Welsh). An English majority is anything equal to or better than 267 MPs. 276 English MPs supported the bill. That is manifestly a majority. It wasn't just an English law. It would affect Wales as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) It wasn't just an English law. It would affect Wales as well.Correct.But that wasn't what Antilion said, was it? He didn't mention Wales. Nice to see you trying to shift goalposts though. Again. You should get a YTS contract. Edited May 21, 2016 by Ad Lib 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 21, 2016 Author Share Posted May 21, 2016 If 250 English MPs vote against something, 283 English MPs vote for it and 50 Scottish MPs vote against it, does it pass? No, I was wrong and Ad Lib was correct. When you're wrong it's probably best to acknowledge it. I think it would be best for all, particularly Ad Lib, if, in light of this wonderful victory, he took a wee rest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 No, I was wrong and Ad Lib was correct. When you're wrong it's probably best to acknowledge it. I think it would be best for all, particularly Ad Lib, if, in light of this wonderful victory, he took a wee rest. For a year? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortar Bored Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Correct. But that wasn't what Antilion said, was it? He didn't mention Wales. Nice to see you trying to shift goalposts though. Again. You should get a YTS contract. Sister shagging moron! Lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Correct. But that wasn't what Antilion said, was it? He didn't mention Wales. Nice to see you trying to shift goalposts though. Again. You should get a YTS contract. You are right he didn't mention Wales. He also didn't mention any particular policies, that was you. I am merely pointing out that England did not try to change their Sunday Trading Laws, they attempted to change it in Wales as well. When you start presenting numbers to validate your argument, it would be better if you were using goal posts that are placed in a well marked field rather than jackets thrown down in the playground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 You are right he didn't mention Wales. He also didn't mention any particular policies, that was you. I am merely pointing out that England did not try to change their Sunday Trading Laws, they attempted to change it in Wales as well. When you start presenting numbers to validate your argument, it would be better if you were using goal posts that are placed in a well marked field rather than jackets thrown down in the playground. He claimed that England always gets its own way. I demonstrated two examples where it did not. There may be good reasons why they shouldn't in those cases. But what is clear is that they didn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 He claimed that England always gets its own way. I demonstrated two examples where it did not. There may be good reasons why they shouldn't in those cases. But what is clear is that they didn't. I agree with you that you produced two examples of where the government were unable to pass legislation. In the only one that went to a vote, it is clearly I.cprtect to exclude Welsh votes when it was a bill that would affect them. I will just point out at this juncture that I have not looked into the voting by Welsh MPs and it may actually re-enforce your argument. The pertinent point remains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 I agree with you that you produced two examples of where the government were unable to pass legislation. In the only one that went to a vote, it is clearly I.cprtect to exclude Welsh votes when it was a bill that would affect them. I will just point out at this juncture that I have not looked into the voting by Welsh MPs and it may actually re-enforce your argument. The pertinent point remains. I was only responding to what Antilion said. Which was false. FWIW, If you include the Welsh MPs on the rationale it's an England and Wales law, the total falls one short of an outright majority but is a functional majority once you take into account the fact that one Labour seat was vacant for a by-election at the time, that another Labour MP had just died, and that the Speaker only votes to break a tie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Is Willie Rennie a complete waste if time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 So Angus MacNeil owns a flat in London but stays in hotels and claims it on expenses. That doesn't sound like the type of behaviour we want from an MP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Hosie to resign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Hosie to resign. Not standing for re election as deputy leader in the autumn conference 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Not standing for re election as deputy leader in the autumn conference I guess his role in any Summer campaigns have to be in doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 Not standing for re election as deputy leader in the autumn conference Playing the health card very heavily in the BBC online report. Twat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 Sleaze is causing the SNP to fall apart at the seams. Shame 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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