Kapowzer Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, ropy said: So that I can understand the wise words of those of you who witnessed the crime, and I can join in. It may be Wednesday or Thursday before I am ready, I'd watch anything with James Corden, Dirty Dancing, Cricket, Love Island or a even snuff movie before a rerun of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowsdower Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 If you really want to watch something amateur and cringeworthy, may I suggest Birdemic: Shock and Terror, or Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park?Or Final Sacrifice, which I'm in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Barry Maguire is just Robbie Crawford on stilts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnderooMFC Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I wasn't bothered too much about Barry Maguire, but when Cornelius came on at half-time it did take me a good 15-mins to work out who had been took off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I'd rather have Carswell tbqh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: I'd rather have Carswell tbqh. At least nobody ever posted gushing praise about his fucking bleep test score. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 7 hours ago, Mr. Brightside said: I'd rather have Carswell tbqh. Was Carswell the new Mark Fitzpatrick? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/stephen-odonnell-opens-up-graham-27681866 Not exactly putting the boot in but certainly colours to the mast etc. As someone in a group chat said, falling out with SOD - a career long solid pro - looks incredibly bad management regardless of the details. Also interesting is just how explicit Hammell and now SOD are about the need for new players. Usually those within the group are a bit more diplomatic but you don't have to read much between the lines here to draw a conclusion that even those people think we're fucked. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/stephen-odonnell-opens-up-graham-27681866 Not exactly putting the boot in but certainly colours to the mast etc. As someone in a group chat said, falling out with SOD - a career long solid pro - looks incredibly bad management regardless of the details. Also interesting is just how explicit Hammell and now SOD are about the need for new players. Usually those within the group are a bit more diplomatic but you don't have to read much between the lines here to draw a conclusion that even those people think we're fucked. “No one didn’t not want to do well for the last manager” You can’t say fairer than that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu92 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 12 hours ago, CoF said: Sportsound yesterday saying 4 candidates have been selected for interview next week, with the only known names being Hammell and Valakari. Hammell wouldn’t be my first choice due to a) lack of experience, b) his work to date with the academy, and c) the possibility of a club legend being in charge when we get relegated. Having said that, I’d still be more interested in him getting the job than a Tommy Wright, etc. Having said that, I wonder how much of his inclusion on the shortlist is due to being a serious candidate and how much of it is due to being associated with the club/caretaker/already in the building. Hammy may very well be a good coach, but it never felt to me that Lasley was ever a serious candidate any time he was in the mix. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one m in Motherwell Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Any idea/rumours about who the other two are on the shortlist? Hammy, Simo and…? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, stu92 said: Having said that, I wonder how much of his inclusion on the shortlist is due to being a serious candidate and how much of it is due to being associated with the club/caretaker/already in the building. Hammy may very well be a good coach, but it never felt to me that Lasley was ever a serious candidate any time he was in the mix. Possibly. Agree on Lasley, it seemed the polite thing rather than a serious consideration. A lot might depend on Hammell, how genuinely he wants to move on from the academy - which while hugely important is obviously a million miles away from the glory of first team manager. I wonder if a compromise might be considered if we appoint Simo or someone from England now we've established that two assistants are fine - they can pick one of their choice but have to take Hammell as the other. The new man would have no trouble selling it at the press conference - delighted to have him as he knows the Scottish game in general and club inside out etc - Hammell would get a promotion of sorts and do the day to day with the first team with a view to him replacing Simo/guy from England when they move on in a couple of years. Didn't work with Lasley ofc...big caveat is the moving on has to be with us in a solid place rather than a crisis and that's increasingly rare in the last decades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, one m in Motherwell said: Any idea/rumours about who the other two are on the shortlist? Hammy, Simo and…? Lambert given his 'come and get me plea' arguably merits an interview even if you're not 100% convinced by him. The fourth I've no idea. Would we even bother talking to a Kevin Thomson sort? You would hope it someone credible from England who is serious enough in their stature and interest they've not phoned the Sun 10 seconds after applying but I'm buggered if I know who that might be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Handsome_Devil said: Lambert given his 'come and get me plea' arguably merits an interview even if you're not 100% convinced by him. The fourth I've no idea. Would we even bother talking to a Kevin Thomson sort? You would hope it someone credible from England who is serious enough in their stature and interest they've not phoned the Sun 10 seconds after applying but I'm buggered if I know who that might be. Scott Burns' Express piece last week suggested that there were a few options that we wanted to "sound out" which gave the impression that we had at least one candidate in mind who may not apply but we'd like to speak to. Of the options so far ie: Hammell, Valakari and potentially Lambert none of them really fit the profile of manager we've gone with in recent years, not least that all 3 are former players. Given it took Burnley an age to get Vincent fucking Kompany a visa/work permit it makes me wonder how long that process would take for Valakari given the increasing emphasis being put on the need for finishing off recruitment. You'd think we'd want whoever gets the job to be able to get their feet under the desk stat. Edited August 8, 2022 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one m in Motherwell Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 That's a good point re. Simo. With Hammell, I wonder if he'll even really need to be interviewed - he's essentially had two games work experience and however long as Academy Director to make the club aware of how ready (or otherwise) he is to step up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boozyBJ Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 I’m just glad I’m not the only one who think Maguire is utter bobbins. Don’t see what he brings to the team at all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 24 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Scott Burns' Express piece last week suggested that there were a few options that we wanted to "sound out" which gave the impression that we had at least one candidate in mind who may not apply but we'd like to speak to. Of the options so far ie: Hammell, Valakari and potentially Lambert none of them really fit the profile of manager we've gone with in recent years, not least that all 3 are former players. Given it took Burnley an age to get Vincent fucking Kompany a visa/work permit it makes me wonder how long that process would take for Valakari given the increasing emphasis being put on the need for finishing off recruitment. You'd think we'd want whoever gets the job to be able to get their feet under the desk stat. Good point on Simo and the profiles. But even if we were the ones making the first move, I find it surprising there hasn't been a whisper of it in the press. If you assume we're highly unlikely to pay compensation (except perhaps if Simo has a modest UK release clause) that leaves unemployed folk and there don't seem to be that many of them who are viable either according to transfermarkt...Darren Ferguson? Nigel Adkins? A younger guy who has failed in an early job such as Woodgate/Bowyer would surely be a massive punt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, one m in Motherwell said: That's a good point re. Simo. With Hammell, I wonder if he'll even really need to be interviewed - he's essentially had two games work experience and however long as Academy Director to make the club aware of how ready (or otherwise) he is to step up. I know a guy who is involved in the recruitment process for a League One club (in England) and he was talking about the interview process recently. Basically, every club will need to have an in-depth interview before hiring anyone, because there are lots of technical things they're looking for. Things like set-piece policy (Yes!), agreement on squad profile, understanding and analysis of use of subs etc. Plus loads of other stuff that had never crossed my mind before. A candidate will need to show a very deep understanding of Motherwell's performance, how that compares with other teams in the league (on a deep statistical level) and how that can be improved with concrete proposals for that. It's a tough process. No way anyone's getting appointed without a serious interview these days. Edited August 8, 2022 by VincentGuerin 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Handsome_Devil said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/local-sport/stephen-odonnell-opens-up-graham-27681866 Not exactly putting the boot in but certainly colours to the mast etc. As someone in a group chat said, falling out with SOD - a career long solid pro - looks incredibly bad management regardless of the details. Also interesting is just how explicit Hammell and now SOD are about the need for new players. Usually those within the group are a bit more diplomatic but you don't have to read much between the lines here to draw a conclusion that even those people think we're fucked. I tend not to go for the "lost the dressing room" stuff normally - as I've always assumed that every dressing room in a losing team will be an unhappy place and players that aren't getting a game/getting their preferred role will always be unhappier when the evidence is that things aren't working - but this is different. This time isn't quite on the Jim Gannon scale but just based on what various players (and Hammy) have publicly said*, it seems pretty obvious that a lot of the rumours were in fact true about fall-outs/bad atmosphere behind the scenes - and what is also true is there is a feeling (backed by pretty solid evidence) that GA was phoning it in this summer in terms of signings and having the squad prepared. I'm sure there is a theory to be worked out where a certain manager personality type just doesn't work at a club like ours - it's probably too small a place to have a manager that rubs everyone up the wrong way. *Of all the public pronouncements, I found Tony Watt "praising" him as the most interesting of all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegsjoe_mfc Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 We've not been great at appointing captains since Las retired have we? First it was McHugh, who voluntarily chucked it. Then it was Hartley, who couldn't get a game for half his tenure. Then it was Gallagher, who had a gun to his head. Then it was O'Donnell, who fell out with the manager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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