capt_oats Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, eliphas said: My main point about inheriting backroom staff (which I think stimulated this and a few other messages) wasn't so much that all the backroom staff would be a nightmare to work with or anything because they were Alexander's boys. More to do with the fact in the overall picture it is one of the elements gone against us perhaps, in as much as any new manager who comes in generally likes to setup the structure/get some new staff to suit their way of coaching, recruitment and playing. Albeit in a framework probably set by the club. (e.g. the example someone gave of Robinson immediately employing Martin Foyle) Under Alexander we pivoted a bit from the Les Hutchison model of 'this is the club framework, drop in any manager and go' and gave Alexander a bit of leeway. I don't think it will be too much of a surprise if Hammell, because of a completely different playing ethos, has a different ask to the scouts/scouting system and supporting coaching and analysis staff. That will all take time to settle in and if needed get new folk in. Aye, I got your point and fully agree that there seemed to be a pivot away from the set up we had and allowed Alexander a bit more latitude to bring in staff. Arguably those were roles that were created rather it being a case of replacing the core staff who were already here. I suppose I'm just looking at it from the POV that there's still a fair number of the backroom staff there who pre-dated Alexander (and in some cases Robinson, McGhee, Baraclough and McCall). Boles left for Celtic back in January so he needed replaced anyway. Hinchliffe moved to United. I'm not sure that's inherently different to say, McManus moving to Celtic. In a coaching sense though our backroom team while Alexander was here amounted to GA, Lucketti, Lasley and Hinchliffe - Hammell has filled 2 of those 3 positions. As I've said though, without any actual knowledge of the ins and outs it still feels to me that we might be a bit light on the coaching side. By the by, I notice that the Head of Medicine and Performance has dropped off the official site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 27 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Aye, I got your point and fully agree that there seemed to be a pivot away from the set up we had and allowed Alexander a bit more latitude to bring in staff. Arguably those were roles that were created rather it being a case of replacing the core staff who were already here. I suppose I'm just looking at it from the POV that there's still a fair number of the backroom staff there who pre-dated Alexander (and in some cases Robinson, McGhee, Baraclough and McCall). Boles left for Celtic back in January so he needed replaced anyway. Hinchliffe moved to United. I'm not sure that's inherently different to say, McManus moving to Celtic. In a coaching sense though our backroom team while Alexander was here amounted to GA, Lucketti, Lasley and Hinchliffe - Hammell has filled 2 of those 3 positions. As I've said though, without any actual knowledge of the ins and outs it still feels to me that we might be a bit light on the coaching side. By the by, I notice that the Head of Medicine and Performance has dropped off the official site. WTF is a Performance Therapist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: WTF is a Performance Therapist? Assuming that's not a rhetorical question... https://informedinsport.com/new-blog/2016/1/22/defining-performance-therapy https://altis.world/articles/performance-therapy-what-is-it-and-how-is-it-applied/ Edited November 8, 2022 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 12 hours ago, Kapowzer said: They can get my coaching for free .... Stop faffing with these floaty clipped balls and whip it in with real venom. If you're taking a direct free kick, imagine you're passing it to someone standing 20 yards behind the goalmouth, the apex of the arc is the top bin. Leave our fastest player on the halfway line at a corner, I don't care what position he plays other than goalkeeper. My UEFA badge must be in the post after that. Sacked for saying “top bin” imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: WTF is a Performance Therapist? Part of a players recovery after playing shite and getting pelters from the east stand 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 On 06/11/2022 at 22:21, ropy said: It would be interesting to know how it came about that Moult took the penalty, was it predetermined, did KVV allow Moult to get his name on the scorers list, did Moult have the most confidence on the day? “Fair play to Kev,” Moult said. “He let me take it. He said: ‘You’ve won it Moulty – on you go – go and get yourself a goal’. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Assuming that's not a rhetorical question... https://informedinsport.com/new-blog/2016/1/22/defining-performance-therapy https://altis.world/articles/performance-therapy-what-is-it-and-how-is-it-applied/ Wow! The first link is a lot of words that mean absolutley nothing to me! From the second article, I take it to be a cross between a physio/fitness coach/performance coach? Thats a lot of science! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, ropy said: “Fair play to Kev,” Moult said. “He let me take it. He said: ‘You’ve won it Moulty – on you go – go and get yourself a goal’. I've stuck up for KVV but I'm not happy with "Moulty" ngl. A bit of respect please- "Mr Moult" at the very least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, joewarkfanclub said: Wow! The first link is a lot of words that mean absolutley nothing to me! From the second article, I take it to be a cross between a physio/fitness coach/performance coach? Thats a lot of science! Cards on the table those were the first couple of links from a Google search that seemed to vaguely answer the question. I think your take is probably reasonably close though. I'd imagine they're more housed in the Sports Science/S&C department rather than doing tactical sessions or the like. Edited November 8, 2022 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 3 hours ago, capt_oats said: Aye, I got your point and fully agree that there seemed to be a pivot away from the set up we had and allowed Alexander a bit more latitude to bring in staff. Arguably those were roles that were created rather it being a case of replacing the core staff who were already here. I suppose I'm just looking at it from the POV that there's still a fair number of the backroom staff there who pre-dated Alexander (and in some cases Robinson, McGhee, Baraclough and McCall). Boles left for Celtic back in January so he needed replaced anyway. Hinchliffe moved to United. I'm not sure that's inherently different to say, McManus moving to Celtic. In a coaching sense though our backroom team while Alexander was here amounted to GA, Lucketti, Lasley and Hinchliffe - Hammell has filled 2 of those 3 positions. As I've said though, without any actual knowledge of the ins and outs it still feels to me that we might be a bit light on the coaching side. By the by, I notice that the Head of Medicine and Performance has dropped off the official site. Nick Daws l, our Head of Recruitment chap was definitely an Alexander lad. Was assistant to him at Scunthorpe I think it was before moving from coaching to the recruitment side. Give Alexander's playing style and, shall we say, single mindedness, on what he need or didn't need I'd imagine the recruitment needed calibrated come Hammy's appointment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, eliphas said: Nick Daws, our Head of Recruitment chap was definitely an Alexander lad. Was assistant to him at Scunthorpe I think it was before moving from coaching to the recruitment side. Give Alexander's playing style and, shall we say, single mindedness, on what he need or didn't need I'd imagine the recruitment needed calibrated come Hammy's appointment. Oh, absolutely. No doubt about that. IIRC he actually took over as manager of Scunthorpe for a bit after Alexander had been emptied. He'd been assistant manager at AFC Wimbledon before pivoting to a HoR role with them. Although, I suppose Foyle bailing as quickly after Robinson begs the question as to whether he'd have fared any better than Daws. A quick recap of Foyle's last window: Liam Kelly (loan) Steven Lawless Harry Smith (loan) Sam Foley Jordan Roberts (loan) Eddie Nolan (loan) Robbie Crawford (loan made permanent) Tyler Magloire (loan) Edited November 8, 2022 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 7 hours ago, thisGRAEME said: There's Chris Cadden on notice. The Claret and Amber club these days are a vicious bunch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Oh, absolutely. No doubt about that. IIRC he actually took over as manager of Scunthorpe for a bit after Alexander had been emptied. He'd been assistant manager at AFC Wimbledon before pivoting to a HoR role with them. Although, I suppose Foyle bailing as quickly after Robinson begs the question as to whether he'd have fared any better than Daws. A quick recap of Foyle's last window: Liam Kelly (loan) Steven Lawless Harry Smith (loan) Sam Foley Jordan Roberts (loan) Eddie Nolan (loan) Robbie Crawford (loan made permanent) Tyler Magloire (loan) Offtttt, there's at least £14k a week in that list, only worth about £5k 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) Fwiw, Foyle's exit was officially announced 21st May 2021. Quote “Martin and the club had decided to mutually part ways several months ago. Therefore, we have already appointed a replacement, who has been working with manager Graham Alexander on summer business. His appointment will be announced shortly.” Link He was announced at Northampton the same day. Edited November 8, 2022 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 51 minutes ago, eliphas said: Nick Daws He should announce the half time scores, IMO. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 I don't know anything about backroom staff (and to be totally honest, it's an aspect of football that I don't want to have to care about) - but the interesting thing for me is that we've gone from Alexander, who was an archetypal English football man to something very close to his Scottish equivalent. Hammy is a creature of our game and a lot of his contacts will naturally come from that - so we might be seeing a lot more familiar faces (Neil Alexander and Stuart Kettlewell may or may not be evidence of that already depending on how much influence he has) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 41 minutes ago, capt_oats said: A quick recap of Foyle's last window: Liam Kelly (loan) Steven Lawless Harry Smith (loan) Sam Foley Jordan Roberts (loan) Eddie Nolan (loan) Robbie Crawford (loan made permanent) Tyler Magloire (loan) Christ almighty what a list that is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, well fan for life said: Christ almighty what a list that is. Aye. Reading back to the exit statement from May 21 it says that "Martin and the club had decided to mutually part ways several months ago" so I wonder how far back "several months" actually was and whether he'd already chucked it when Robinson resigned. I think Lawleff pretty much confirmed that Robinson/Foyle had already done the groundwork on his signing rather than Alexander pitching up saying "get me Steven Lawless in the door. Now". As 'one last job' goes though...fucking hell. Edited November 8, 2022 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, capt_oats said: As 'one last job' goes though...fucking hell. Like Ocean's 11 but the getaway car is this: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezz Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 Get the impression from Hammell’s pre-match presser that we won’t be seeing Paul McGinn again for a while. He’s been solid if unspectacular (as expected) and I’m sure SODs will do fine stepping in but another body down we could really be doing without. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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