thisGRAEME Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Desp said: Recent footage of @thisGRAEME getting his final month's wages. I didn't say I was worth paying, only a mug would do that. 11 minutes ago, SteelyDosser said: I was meaning give them some sort of comp though, free entry or something ... Still no. You either value it or you don't. The way that staff in roles like that are paid across Scotland (and wider tbh) is massively undervalued and underpaid, and asking people to do it as a volunteer or as a gift in kind should be left to the local amateur sides, not a business with a £6 mil revenue FFS. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 11 minutes ago, SteelyDosser said: I was meaning give them some sort of comp though, free entry or something There's definitely a place for volunteers in fitba clubs I think, personally, with some comping and added benefits etc. Can often be something people want to do and are more than happy to be involved with the club they love But, for core functions of the day to day business (of which media and comms is one..regardless of arguments over how valuable etc) I don't think we need to or want to go down that route really. Notwithstanding the fact we should pay folk what they are worth, it opens a right can of worms. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Quite looking forward to the Alloa game now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallus Numpty Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 18 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: ... Still no. You either value it or you don't. The way that staff in roles like that are paid across Scotland (and wider tbh) is massively undervalued and underpaid, and asking people to do it as a volunteer or as a gift in kind should be left to the local amateur sides, not a business with a £6 mil revenue FFS. Agreed... amazing how often you hear about creative folk being asked to do decent chunks of work for free because it's "good exposure" or some bollocks. It's bad for the whole industry. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 See this is what happens if we get volunteers in. All the precious creative lads and lassies would get annoyed eventually because a ticket and a pie isn't 'enough'. Draw a picture or talk about it on a podcast lads and dry yer eyes .....a joke, just to be clear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shivute Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 In terms of timeline, he said he felt him leaving in March is realistic to get a CEO in. Unless we are well down the road i would say this sounds over ambitious. If the candidate is in a role already surely they would have some form of notice or gardening leave. 3 month notice would likely to be a typical minimum but could be more at a senior management level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowsdower Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 My guess is weir picked March based on where we are currently in the process of hiring the CEO, i.e. we're far enough down the road to pick that as a date with some confidence. I'm assuming we're close, but we look to have been close 4 times before, so who knows. SO really don't like the women's team, eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, CoF said: One of the candidates pulled out because he went to a game and didn’t like media coverage of it. No idea what that means but I’d like to blame Kenny McIntyre. They also said that his partner ultimately didn't want to relocate up here as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliphas Pettigrew Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 One of the clubs linked with Greg Stewart 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil86 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 @capt_oats How many players do we have signed up beyond next season (apologies I know you have posted this fairly recently) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Neil86 said: @capt_oats How many players do we have signed up beyond next season (apologies I know you have posted this fairly recently) Of the current first team? By my count 6? 7 with Tierney out on loan. Casey, Blaney, Paton, Zdravkovski, Miller and Bair. On 04/06/2023 at 23:41, capt_oats said: Goalkeepers: 1. Liam Kelly (27) - 2024 13. Aston Oxborough (25) - 2024 Defenders: 2. Stephen O'Donnell (31) - 2024 3. Georgie Gent (19) - 2024 - season loan from Blackburn Rovers 5. Bevis Mugabi (28) - 2024 15. Dan Casey (25) - 2025 16. Paul McGinn (32) - 2024 19. Nathan McGinley (27) - 2024 20. Shane Blaney (24) - 2025 66. Calum Butcher (32) - 2024 Midfielders: 6. Barry Maguire (25) - 2024 7. Blair Spittal (27) - 2024 8. Callum Slattery (24) - 2024 12. Harry Paton (25) - 2025 17. Davor Zdravkovski (25) - 2025 38. Lennon Miller (16) - 2026 Forwards: 9. Jon Obika (32) - 2024 + 1 year option 14. Thelonius Bair (23) - 2025 18. Oli Shaw (25) - 2024 - season loan from Barnsley 24. Mika Biereth (20) - 2024 - season loan from Arsenal In 19/06/23 - Jon Obika (from Morecambe - free transfer) 04/07/23 - Conor Wilkinson (from Walsall - free transfer) 17/07/23 - Pape Souaré (from Morecambe - free transfer) 21/07/23 - Davor Zdravkovski (from AEL Limassol - free transfer) 01/08/23 - Thelonius Bair (from St Johnstone - free transfer) In (Loan) 03/08/23 - Mika Biereth (from Arsenal - season) 24/08/23 - Brodie Spencer (from Huddersfield Town - season) 31/08/23 - Oli Shaw (from Barnsley - season) 01/09/23 - Georgie Gent (from Blackburn Rovers - season) Out (Loan) 14/07/23 - Robbie Mahon (to Edinburgh City - season) 15/07/23 - Sam Campbell (to Annan Athletic - to January '24) 24/07/23 - Ross Tierney (to Walsall - season) 04/08/23 - Adam MacDonald (to Cowdenbeath - season) 18/08/23 - Barry Maguire (to Kidderminster Harriers - to January 24) 25/08/23 - Robbie Garcia (to Cowdenbeath - to January 24) 26/08/23 - Ricki Lamie (to Dundee - season) 29/09/23 - Mark Ferrie (to Stenhousemuir - to January 24) 29/09/23 - Ewan Wilson (to Stirling Albion - season) 30/09/23 - Nathan McGinley (to Partick Thistle - to January 24) 22/12/23 - Matty Connelly (to East Kilbride - season) 03/01/24 - Brodie Spencer (to Huddersfield Town - loan recall option excercised) Out 20/06/23 - Kevin Van Veen (to FC Groningen - undisclosed ) 22/06/23 - Dean Cornelius (to Harrogate Town - undisclosed) 24/07/23 - Riku Danzaki (to Western United - free) 25/07/23 - Max Johnston (to Sturm Graz - £300k - development compensation) 26/07/23 - Connor Shields (to Chennaiyin FC - free) 09/08/23 - Ali Gould (to Watford u21) 16/09/23 - Joe Efford (to PAS Giannina - free) 01/01/24 - Pape Souaré (contract expired) 03/01/24 - Conor Wilkinson (to Colchester United - undisclosed) 04/01/24 - Sam Campbell (contract expired) Players confirmed departing club at end of contract: Jake Carroll Logan Dunachie (signed for Clyde) Daniel Hunter (signed for Broomhill) Kian Spiers (signed for Caledonian Braves) Jack Aitchison (signed for Exeter City) David Devine (signed for Alloa) Corey O'Donnell (signed for Broomhill) Max Johnston (signed for Sturm Graz) Sean Goss (signed for Asteras Tripoli) Mikael Mandron (signed for St Mirren) Loans expired: Stuart McKinstry (signed for Queens Park) James Furlong (sold to Hull City) Oli Crankshaw (signed for Altrincham) Jon Obika (signed for Motherwell) Contracted players released: Josh Morris Riku Danzaki (signed for Western United) Joe Efford (signed for PAS Giannina) Edited January 10 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 8 minutes ago, capt_oats said: Of the current first team? By my count 6? Casey, Blaney, Paton, Zdravkovski, Miller and Bair Miller would be hard carrying that fives team at Powerleague. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 It won't be a busy time for contract extensions, will it? I can see us trying to keep Slattery (but he'll leave), Spittal (he'll stay) and possibly McGinn (he'll also stay if offered). The others can jog on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) Just updated that last post. Tierney is also contracted to 2025 so technically it's 7. By my count it gives us 11 permanently contracted players of a 20 man squad (plus Lamie) who our OOC this summer. Which ironically is fewer in terms of numbers than other seasons recently. Edited January 10 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 29 minutes ago, Desp said: It won't be a busy time for contract extensions, will it? I can see us trying to keep Slattery (but he'll leave), Spittal (he'll stay) and possibly McGinn (he'll also stay if offered). The others can jog on. I doubt Spittal will get a big move but suspect he'll get more money than we can offer from somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'WellDel Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Desp said: It won't be a busy time for contract extensions, will it? I can see us trying to keep Slattery (but he'll leave), Spittal (he'll stay) and possibly McGinn (he'll also stay if offered). The others can jog on. It really is a very meh and uninspiring group isn't it? Gone are the days of having a few club stalwarts like McCart, Martin, Arnott and co in the 90s, or more recently Craigan, Hammell and Lasley that you built your squad around, and who you'd genuinely be worried about losing/replacing. Just a ragtag bunch of journeymen and jobbers chasing a wage. Other than Miller, Spittal and possibly Casey (if he could get back to his original form), there's absolutely no-one there that you'd be remotely sad to see pack their bags and gtf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 51 minutes ago, 'WellDel said: It really is a very meh and uninspiring group isn't it? Gone are the days of having a few club stalwarts like McCart, Martin, Arnott and co in the 90s, or more recently Craigan, Hammell and Lasley that you built your squad around, and who you'd genuinely be worried about losing/replacing. Just a ragtag bunch of journeymen and jobbers chasing a wage. I realise this is very much old man screams at cloud type stuff, but I actually think this is where some of our problems stem from. As much as Hanlon and Stevenson at Hibs, for example, at now more fringe elements of the playing squad, it's pretty clear they hold a fairly significant influence within the dressing room. We moved on from Craigan, Hammell, Lasley and even guys like Tait who had a reasonable spell here and feel quite a lot more waifs and strays than we have in a while. Numerous players have cited the influence of guys like Lasley off the field, and we just don't really have anyone like that on staff anymore. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self-raising Lazarus Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 15 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: I realise this is very much old man screams at cloud type stuff, but I actually think this is where some of our problems stem from. As much as Hanlon and Stevenson at Hibs, for example, at now more fringe elements of the playing squad, it's pretty clear they hold a fairly significant influence within the dressing room. We moved on from Craigan, Hammell, Lasley and even guys like Tait who had a reasonable spell here and feel quite a lot more waifs and strays than we have in a while. Numerous players have cited the influence of guys like Lasley off the field, and we just don't really have anyone like that on staff anymore. Even after that, wee Al seemed a similar character to have around the club in terms of progressing through the youth sides, whilst now it seems the youth development is at low ebb excluding lennon Miller. We could do with players who seriously buy into the club and stick around for more than 18 months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'WellDel Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 10 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: I realise this is very much old man screams at cloud type stuff, but I actually think this is where some of our problems stem from. As much as Hanlon and Stevenson at Hibs, for example, at now more fringe elements of the playing squad, it's pretty clear they hold a fairly significant influence within the dressing room. We moved on from Craigan, Hammell, Lasley and even guys like Tait who had a reasonable spell here and feel quite a lot more waifs and strays than we have in a while. Numerous players have cited the influence of guys like Lasley off the field, and we just don't really have anyone like that on staff anymore. It absolutely plays a part. Having players with a genuine connection and affinity to the club on the field leading the way helps push others on to give their all. That feeds into the stands and the fans feel a connection with the players. If we were to end up in the play off this time around and with the general apathy a lot of fans are currently expressing, who do the fans really connect with that we can look to for that leadership to galvanise those both on the park and in the stands, who does the club really mean anything to other than collecting a wage? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) Aye, I think we've lost the 'identity' we had for so long for a number of reasons. Some self inflicted, others not so. The likes of Hammell and Lasley sticking around for so long we were lucky with. Not a huge amount of clubs had/have players of that decent standard kicking about from youth to end of career. Add in our fondness for returning players like Pearson and Hammell and it gave us a proper 'Motherwell' core for years. Chuck in a few other longer term serving good pros too and a couple of managers like McCall and Robbie who thrived on 'identity' and it was a good time. Burrows and Robinson really tried to keep that identity going by putting the likes of Hammell, Lasley, Faddy, Clarkson and even McManus into coaching positions. That kind of petered out through them all mostly being cherry picked by bigger clubs with bigger wages (McManus, Burrows himself), time running out (Robinson, Lasley, Hammell and their assistants) or positions that suited them better (Lasley again after he changed his mind on coaching, Faddy). Add to the above promising youth players being cherry picked before they play a game, the youth system stalling under COVID, a couple of dodgy ma ager appointments and it's kind of easy to see how it's happened. It kind of plays into keeping Kettlewell around long term and the board sticking to their guns on that to start building new relationships and long term club identity. I'd have bulleted him after Ross County but maybe....maybe it will work out for the better. Edited January 10 by eliphas 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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